LittleHurt05 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Tony said: I’m just generally curious at the people who say “The Sox have been sitting on their hands, this should have been over weeks ago!” So you just want the Sox to pay Lozano’s ransom, whatever the cost may be, because you want Machado on your favorite baseball team? That is such an unrealistic stance I can’t really take it that seriously. Yes. How is that unrealistic? It's not my money, it's the rich owners money, who isnt spending it on any other players anyway. In todays game, it's rare for players like Machado and Harper to hit free agency at their age. It's the best chance the Sox will ever have to acquire such a talent in their prime, at a time when their young players are getting very close to being viable major leaguers. If there is any time to overpay, it is now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, LittleHurt05 said: Yes. How is that unrealistic? It's not my money, it's the rich owners money, who isnt spending it on any other players anyway. In todays game, it's rare for players like Machado and Harper to hit free agency at their age. It's the best chance the Sox will ever have to acquire such a talent in their prime, at a time when their young players are getting very close to being viable major leaguers. If there is any team to overpay, it is now. True but as a fan you also want your team to have a good amount of flexibility going forward too. I don’t want to hear how they can’t go after a front line pitcher in the next couple years because they gave manny 350 mil when the next highest bidder was at 230. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBlanco Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, LittleHurt05 said: Yes. How is that unrealistic? It's not my money, it's the rich owners money, who isnt spending it on any other players anyway. In todays game, it's rare for players like Machado and Harper to hit free agency at their age. It's the best chance the Sox will ever have to acquire such a talent in their prime, at a time when their young players are getting very close to being viable major leaguers. If there is any time to overpay, it is now. So if Manny is asking for 8 years and $450 million, you’re giving it to him? If your answer is no, then there must be a cap to what you are willing to give right now. And then you’d be in a negotiation and you wouldn’t want to offer that cap right now. And that’s exactly where Hahn is at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Soxtalk as a GM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, Tony said: So in this scenario...Free agency opens and the White Sox present the best offer, topping all other MLB teams. Lozano says "No, it's still not enough, we won't sign that contract." You're saying Hahn should bend over and say "Ok Dan, here is a blank check, write in what Manny wants, we'll pay it?" What no one seems to mention is even if the Padres do make an offer, given the way Lozano has played this, why are we assuming Lozano won't play that offer into more money? And who's to say once an official offer comes in, the Sox then won't up their original offer? The Sox deserve ALL the blame in the world if they lose out on Machado, and its confirmed they weren't the highest bidder. I'm in full agreement there. I want to make that clear. But seeing as there have been zero reports that no other offers have been made for Machado, I'm not ready to say the strategy from the Sox is the wrong one. Hypothetically, let's say the 8 year/$250MM offer is in fact what the Sox are offering. And let's say Machado's side wants $280MM. Is saving $30MM really worth the risk of him potentially not signing here? Obviously it's a different story if Lozano's asking price is ridiculous, but I'm more inclined to just give the guy what he wants if his demands aren't insane. The Sox NEED Machado. He doesn't need the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 8 minutes ago, LittleHurt05 said: Yes. How is that unrealistic? It's not my money, it's the rich owners money, who isnt spending it on any other players anyway. In todays game, it's rare for players like Machado and Harper to hit free agency at their age. It's the best chance the Sox will ever have to acquire such a talent in their prime, at a time when their young players are getting very close to being viable major leaguers. If there is any time to overpay, it is now. So 5 years down the road we don't have to sell off our players again because we gave half a billion to one guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 The Sox are not going to bow out of this, I’m sure if SD offers a contract better than the Whitesox we will have a chance to match or counter back with a better one. Nothing to worry about here. Hahn has even said that if it comes to it the Sox aren’t going down without a fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Whitesox27 said: Hypothetically, let's say the 8 year/$250MM offer is in fact what the Sox are offering. And let's say Machado's side wants $280MM. Is saving $30MM really worth the risk of him potentially not signing here? Obviously it's a different story if Lozano's asking price is ridiculous, but I'm more inclined to just give the guy what he wants if his demands aren't insane. The Sox NEED Machado. He doesn't need the Sox. And then Lazano comes back to say high bid is now 320m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Soxtalk as a GM My money? Its Jerry's money and he has plenty. Some of you guys are so concerned that his great great grandkids have enough money in their college funds. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: So 5 years down the road we don't have to sell off our players again because we gave half a billion to one guy Yep the only amount is 200 million or 500 million and no in between. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 1 minute ago, LittleHurt05 said: My money? Its Jerry's money and he has plenty. Some of you guys are so concerned that his great great grandkids have enough money in their college funds. Or So 5 years down the road we don't have to sell off our players again because we gave half a billion to one guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: And then Lazano comes back to say high bid is now 320m. "So if we beat that you'll sign today? Congratulations welcome to the Chicago White Sox". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) Outside of a World Series win, or another huge signing, would this franchise ever bounce back if Machado signs with the Padres for 7 years 200 or less million? Edited January 27, 2019 by Orlando Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 1 minute ago, bmags said: Yep the only amount is 200 million or 500 million and no in between. On day 1 of free agency what amount do you think it would have taken to sign Machado right away? Without his taking the offer to other teams to try to beat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Orlando said: Outside of a World Series win, or another huge signing, can this franchise bounce back if Machado signs with the Padres for 7 years 200 or less million? I mean yes if in the next year it shows it can actually develop talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 My scariest scenario isn’t even missing out on Machado, it’s losing him to an underwhelming offer that we should have beaten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Just now, southsider2k5 said: Or So 5 years down the road we don't have to sell off our players again because we gave half a billion to one guy Again? The reason they were sold off the first time was because the front office couldn't put together a talented roster around them. If that happens again, then no free agent will help anyway. If the $500 million guy helps you win, then maybe you wont sell off any players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Just now, southsider2k5 said: On day 1 of free agency what amount do you think it would have taken to sign Machado right away? Without his taking the offer to other teams to try to beat? Maybe $350 million over 10 with an opt out somewhere, perhaps 4 years so that its the year right after the lockout? What do you think? If I was in Lozano's chair that would have been close to my initial ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said: On day 1 of free agency what amount do you think it would have taken to sign Machado right away? Without his taking the offer to other teams to try to beat? It’s not day 1. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Tony said: No, in this case I would pay the extra 30 mil if that was difference. I agree with you, or at least meet them half way. Done. I think, basically know the Sox feel that way as well. I don’t think that’s the situation right now with Machado unfortunately. I think this Padres rumor is Lozano's way of trying to squeeze more money out of the Sox. Admittedly it's hard to comment on this topic since we don't know what the Sox are offering and what Machado's side wants. But at the end of the day, it's all a moot point if the Sox end up signing him which I think there's still a good possibility of happening. It's just becoming increasingly hard for me to stay patient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 1 minute ago, bmags said: I mean yes if in the next year it shows it can actually develop talent. Even if this team or next years team goes on a deep playoff run without Manny, everyone is going to say they would have went further with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Just now, Balta1701 said: Maybe $350 million over 10 with an opt out somewhere, perhaps 4 years so that its the year right after the lockout? What do you think? If I was in Lozano's chair that would have been close to my initial ask. To sign on day 1? No way. People were talking about that as reasonable to start the winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: Maybe $350 million over 10 with an opt out somewhere, perhaps 4 years so that its the year right after the lockout? What do you think? If I was in Lozano's chair that would have been close to my initial ask. That may not have signed him on day 1, but it would have closed the deal in 2018. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Just now, southsider2k5 said: To sign on day 1? No way. People were talking about that as reasonable to start the winter. It’s crazy to think that Chili’s guy said Manny wanted to sign at the meeting lol. I know he got Abreus involvement and then Herrera signing but that seems obviously false now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Friday Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Just now, Orlando said: It’s crazy to think that Chili’s guy said Manny wanted to sign at the meeting lol. I know he got Abreus involvement and then Herrera signing but that seems obviously false now. Who knows. Maybe he wanted to, but was advised to wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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