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I have to say I'm a bit annoyed to even hear we are "even" with Philly. 

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Just now, bmags said:

I have to say I'm a bit annoyed to even hear we are "even" with Philly. 

Interesting to note that we have heard nothing with regards to the White Sox and Harper in nearly a month, but technically we are not "out" on him. 

Machado must be more likely to ink?

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1 hour ago, shipps said:

If I remember correctly weren’t the Sox the ones who floated the idea of moving Moncada to third next year? They had to do that with the knowledge that they might acquire Machado in the off season. I just can’t remember if it was just speculation or if Moncada confirmed they floated that idea?....

They didn't float the idea.  They were asked about it and said it could happen.

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12 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

If he is 100% on being a SS, I would pass on him.

That is an option. And I would agree.

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1 minute ago, caulfield12 said:

“I don’t think they need to go out and get Harper and Machado,” Ryan Howard said. “If you miss out, that’s not the worst thing. Because there’s a guy named Mike Trout — who I believe has season Eagles tickets — who’s there every week … Build your roster, build your team up to where you can go make a run at Trout if you’ve got that stupid money, and you’re looking to drop it."

http://www.philly.com/phillies/ryan-howard-phillies-mlb-network-espn-bryce-harper-manny-machado-20190109.html

I wonder if this was a plant by Philly FO to start cushioning the blow of losing out on both?

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1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said:

They didn't float the idea.  They were asked about it and said it could happen.

Okay thanks. That is what I wanted to know. 

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4 minutes ago, bmags said:

I have to say I'm a bit annoyed to even hear we are "even" with Philly. 

I see that as a good thing in the "we won't be outbid" sense.

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4 minutes ago, steveno89 said:

Interesting to note that we have heard nothing with regards to the White Sox and Harper in nearly a month, but technically we are not "out" on him. 

Machado must be more likely to ink?

Maybe they were told Bryce is waiting for Machado to sign with a team first.

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13 minutes ago, Fuagman said:

First time poster, appreciate the sensical talk (most of the time). Would love to give my reasoning to bring a sense of comfort on why I feel the Phillies and White Sox will end up with Harper and Machado; based on process of elimination. 

Harper between Phillies, Dodgers, Nats; Signs with Phillies
Why not Dodgers- they’ve been to the World Series the last two years. Harper is not the missing piece. He has no fit in their current roster. Lefty loaded lineup (especially OFers). Would essentially have to trade Verdugo to make it work, who is cheap and talented.  Andrew Friedman is smart with money, there are better pieces such as righty Pollock in CF.  Rotation with 4.02 ERA in playoffs w/ Hill and Ryu entering Free Agency next year. They need that money desperately for starters and relievers. 

Why not Nats- I’m shocked they’re still in discussions. Firstly, they have no money. And secondly, how are they not happy with Eaton, Soto, Robles, and Andrew Stevenson. You’re not spending it all on Harper to play 1B, when you’ll have holes everywhere else on the infield after this year.  

Machado between Sox, Yankees, Phillies; Signs with Sox
Why not Yankees- they don’t need another superstar. Player caliber team w/ an already ridiculous lineup and a guy at 3B that has the potential to be as good as Machado in a few years at 1/25th of the price. They need reliable starters. Paxton, Tanaka, Sabathia cannot be expected to stay healthy.  I think they are playing it exactly right by sticking to their original price because he is not worth more than that for their team.

Why not Phillies- They get Harper. If they don’t then we’re screwed. Regardless, their lineup is filled with rightys, they need an impact lefty bat DESPERATELY and should stay focused on Harper

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5 minutes ago, bmags said:

I have to say I'm a bit annoyed to even hear we are "even" with Philly. 

agreed, shouldn't be this close but the optimist in me says that's Manny's camp wanting the Sox best offer out.

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3 minutes ago, Lillian said:

Is there any indication that Madrigal would be serviceable at SS, much less 3RD? I doubt that he has the arm for 3RD, and I'm not sure about his ability to play SS, although I understand that he did play there, in high school.

 

Arm is the most overrated freaking trait in baseball. There are more good players with less than ideal arms in their position then position-perfect arms that you want to keep around. Obviously it would be great if he had a cannon, but he has really quick exchanges and that may make whatever deficiencies he'd have equal.

And if he has value offensively than we won't care that much.

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10 minutes ago, bmags said:

I have to say I'm a bit annoyed to even hear we are "even" with Philly. 

Since we have no idea what the numbers look like, only a vague idea, you have to assume we are on even footing. 

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41 minutes ago, beckham15 said:

Next thing we are going to see is the Whitesox hiring that high school coach as part of Renteria’s staff to try and trump the Phillies hiring 😂

Not a bad idea.  You can keep a coach friend on the bench for his entire contract and not disrupt much even if he can't coach.  Exactly how long are the aging player friends supposed to sit on the 25 if they can't play?

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11 minutes ago, KnightsOnMintSt said:

I’m very pleased with his time in the minors. If he can get on base at well over a .300 clip, that’s exactly what the White Sox need. 

Madrigal at the top of the lineup getting on base, with Robert, Abreu, Jimenez and possibly Machado following him in the lineup, that sounds pretty amazing.

Madrigal as he was last year in our minors will not get on base at well over a .300 clip in the big leagues. The biggest red flag is his ground ball rate - it was substantially higher than literally anyone in the big leagues. If he comes up rapidly and is doing the same thing, with better defenses and better pitching in the big leagues, his numbers will plummet. You may not care about HR from him, but he needs to hit line drives and put the ball in the outfield - his HR numbers may not matter, but his 2b and 3b numbers do because those are things that guys get when they are hitting the ball hard.

People have said that we shouldn't put stock in those numbers at A ball last year because he was coming off a long college season and he also had a wrist injury, I can understand that, but I also don't know that a wrist injury leads to such a high ground ball rate as much as an approach that hits the ball on the ground. If we're going to rush him upwards, then at the very least we need to see a dramatic drop in that ground ball rate and a lot more extra base hits - the extra base hits will tell you that he's hitting the ball with authority into the outfield. It may not translate to HR power, but he will not be a strong big leaguer without that.

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2 minutes ago, Ross Gload Fan said:

Just to take our minds off of Manny for a sec

 

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1 minute ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said:

Well this made me feel better... NOT!

I don't think we would be in this position if it weren't for the Tatis trade. 

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2 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

Not a bad idea.  You can keep a coach friend on the bench for his entire contract and not disrupt much even if he can't coach.  Exactly how long are the aging player friends supposed to sit on the 25 if they can't play?

Well they are only guaranteed one year. It does seem like this coach will have some kind of made up role haha

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1 hour ago, ptatc said:

I would agree depending on the return. I don't think Moncada would really have much value yet. I wonder what the market would be for Anderson given his contract control.

If Moncada seriously improves next year and Madrigal is as good in the minors as people tell me he's going to be - then I think Madrigal + either Dunning or Hansen (whoever has the better year, hell maybe both of them) is the start of a serious offer for Blake Snell. You do that, with an infield of Machado, Anderson, Moncada, the catchers up, Eloy in the OF, and another year of pitching staff development - now you've got something that looks like a contender.

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5 minutes ago, Ross Gload Fan said:

Just to take our minds off of Manny for a sec 😔

 

Damn son. Making enemies with one post. :lol:

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1 minute ago, Sockin said:

I don't think we would be in this position if it weren't for the Tatis trade. 

Seeing as we are talking to Bryce Harper with a minor league system loaded with OF's I am not sure if that would be true or not

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41 minutes ago, mqr said:

Let's let Madrigal get past A ball before we start moving people for him

By the way, Madrigal can play multiple positions too! 

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2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Seeing as we are talking to Bryce Harper with a minor league system loaded with OF's I am not sure if that would be true or not

Sorry I meant if it weren't for the Tatis trade we would not be in the position of talking to two generational talents with a stacked minor league system. Not that we would be better off with Tatis. I've always looked at that trade as the last chance to contend with that core. 

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