Tnetennba Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 7/$200 at least puts the Sox in the ballpark on AAV. Have to hope they can hammer out amenable years, options/opt outs and total dollars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peavy44 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Just now, bschmaranz said: It better be more than 7 years if they're going that high, but yeah, definitely not crazy to think that. 10 years $310M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: The part that excites me is about the Yankees & Phillies. If there’s any truth to what Max is saying (which I’m skeptical of), it would be absolutely huge for us. The Yankees part is solid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 minute ago, peavy44 said: 10 years $310M I think at the end if the day, he needs to break either the AAV record or the total amount record. I'm gonna go $288/8. It'll at least give him a higher AAV than Greinke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Just now, iamshack said: The Yankees part is solid Yeah I should of clarified, much more skeptical of the Phillies part than the Yankees part. Two years is a long time to wait on Mike Trout. And I doubt the Phillies would be scheduling an in person with Bryce if they weren’t mostly serious about a legit pursuit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peavy44 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 The Yankees probably at 5 years $150M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peavy44 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said: Yeah I should of clarified, much more skeptical of the Phillies part than the Yankees part. Two years is a long time to wait on Mike Trout. And I doubt the Phillies would be scheduling an in person with Bryce if they weren’t mostly serious about a legit pursuit. I don't think Harper wants go to Phillies face the nats they have overpay way more then us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peavy44 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, bschmaranz said: I think at the end if the day, he needs to break either the AAV record or the total amount record. I'm gonna go $288/8. It'll at least give him a higher AAV than Greinke. I think he wants $300M atleast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, GermanSoxFan said: I don't believe for a second that 7/200 is all it's gonna take to sign him. Unless it includes opt outs that other teams aren't willing to offer, or not offer as soon. Fangraphs at some point did an article assigning dollar value to opt outs. I'm sure it's case by case basis, but it's possible 7 yrs/$200M with opt outs after 3rd and 4th year is more valuable than a 7 yr/$230M deal with only one opt out after a 5th year. And even if two teams offer different deals in terms of length and money, but have the same opt out year, one team could stack the AAV very high before the 1st opt out, and you would assume the player would believe in themselves enough to think that they would take that 1st opt out available, you might be talking 3 yrs/$100M from one team, or 3 yrs/$140M from another team, despite the first team offering a total of 10 years and the other team offering a total of 7 years. It's nuances like that which are hard to flat out say deal A is better than deal B. Edited January 5, 2019 by ChiliIrishHammock24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Just now, Chicago White Sox said: Yeah I should of clarified, much more skeptical of the Phillies part than the Yankees part. Two years is a long time to wait on Mike Trout. And I doubt the Phillies would be scheduling an in person with Bryce if they weren’t mostly serious about a legit pursuit. Yeah, I have no idea what the Phillies are up to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peavy44 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 minute ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said: Unless it includes opt outs that other teams aren't willing to offer, or not offer as soon. Fangraphs at some point did an article assigning dollar value to opt outs. I'm sure it's case by case basis, but it's possible 7 yrs/$200M with opt outs after 3rd and 4th year is more valuable than a 7 yr/$230M deal with only one opt out after a 5th year. And even if two teams offer different deals in terms of length and money, but have the same opt out year, one team could stack the AAV very high before the 1st opt out, and you would assume the player would believe in themselves enough to think that they would take that 1st opt out available, you might be talking 3 yrs/$100M from one team, or 3 yrs/$140M from another team, despite one team offering a total of 7 years and the other team offering a total of 10 years. It's nuances like that which are hard to flat out say deal A is better than deal B. I don't think Machado will accept any offer not at $300M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, peavy44 said: I think he wants $300M atleast. Ripe bananas are yellow. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, peavy44 said: I don't think Machado will accept any offer not at $300M. If the market is only giving 200 why would anyone go 100 million more? If you can land him anywhere is the 225-250 range I personally think the Sox make out in the deal and have more money to play with for other free agents maybe making the Harper chase a little bit more interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peavy44 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, beckham15 said: If the market is only giving 200 why would anyone go 100 million more? If you can land him anywhere is the 225-250 range I personally think the Sox make out in the deal and have more money to play with for other free agents maybe making the Harper chase a little bit more interesting Well then Machado won't sign till he gets his deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 10 minutes ago, peavy44 said: I don't think Machado will accept any offer not at $300M. ...and that's what you've decided to get out of that post..... 😳 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 20 minutes ago, peavy44 said: The Yankees probably at 5 years $150M. That's a dumb ass deal that he would never accept Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 If 7 for 200 million is the best offer then why offer more? He can wait all he wants for 300 million he wont get it if its not even close to being offered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba P5 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 28 minutes ago, bschmaranz said: I don't buy 7/200 as the number. Bob said closer to 200 than 300, doesn't mean it wasn't 240 or 245. Yep, Nightengale said closer to 200 than 300, not 200 on the head. I assume the offer is between 7/217 & 7/245, which would be $31M - $35M AAV. Also, we don’t know if there is a mutual option for years 8 and 9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Bubba P5 said: Yep, Nightengale said closer to 200 than 300, not 200 on the head. I assume the offer is between 7/217 & 7/245, which would be $31M - $35M AAV. Also, we don’t know if there is a mutual option for years 8 and 9. Doubt there is a mutual option. Those are pointless. Maybe player options. Also, wasn't it reported they are willing to go over 10 the same day it was reported they are only willing to go 7? What's true? Edited January 5, 2019 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 minute ago, soxfan2014 said: Doubt there is a mutual option. Those are pointless. Maybe player options. Also, wasn't it reported they are willing to go over 10 the same day it was reported they are only willing to go 7? What's true? Yeah, I’ve never understood the point of a mutual option. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Just now, Chicago White Sox said: Yeah, I’ve never understood the point of a mutual option. They very rarely get picked up by both sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba P5 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: They very rarely get picked up by both sides. I was thinking of JR and that is why I said “mutual option”. Not sure JR would agree to an option decided solely by a player. But I have been wrong more than being right. You are right that it is rare that mutual options get picked up by both side; thus, they are mostly useless and don’t add any real value to an offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peavy44 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 19 minutes ago, Bubba P5 said: Yep, Nightengale said closer to 200 than 300, not 200 on the head. I assume the offer is between 7/217 & 7/245, which would be $31M - $35M AAV. Also, we don’t know if there is a mutual option for years 8 and 9. Never trust bob nightengale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBlanco Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Start with 7 for $200 and then increase it with some leverage with opt outs if no other teams are going that high. “Ok, we’ll increase it to 8 for $260 with only one opt out after 6 years.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 35 minutes ago, peavy44 said: Never trust bob nightengale. Never trust the voice in your head that talks to you sounding like yourself. Not worthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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