Greg Hibbard Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 It’s interesting that Jay and Garcia ended up with similar deals money-wise. Who do you think will be the better of the two in terms of the bang for the buck? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 I think Jay will play more games. Don't know how Avi's body will hold up on that turf unless he mostly DHs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 11 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: I think Jay will play more games. Don't know how Avi's body will hold up on that turf unless he mostly DHs. Another person who can play CF is a better fit for this squad. We are loaded with can't field corner OFs. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 I think Jays versatility will be more beneficial than Avi at a corner outfield spot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) This really isn't about Jay and Avi. Jay was brought in because Engel can't hit and the Sox needed a left handed bat that could play center. Imho, Avi is gone because of Palka's ability to hit for power from the left side and stay off the DL. The comp should be between Avi and Palka which, I'll take Palka. An interesting bang for buck comp is Engel and Jay. Edited January 19, 2019 by BlackSox13 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share Posted January 19, 2019 Guys, I’m not stating that Avi and Jay are the same type of player, and I’m not sayin we brought in Jay to replace Avi. I’m asking which one of these two very different players will be the better value at a similar price. Because they have similar salaries and potentially similar fWARs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vilehoopster Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 I'm a big Avi fan, so therefore, I think the Rays got a steal. If he has a bad year with his injuries like last year, Avi is gonna hit 20 home runs and bat .250. But if he can stay healthy, he's gonna hit 30 home runs and bat, at least, .290. I believe that totally. Jon Jay, is gonna bat .255 and hit 5 home runs for the Sox, with a weaker arm than Avi in the outfield, but more range (I'll give the Avi detractors that much). So, I think the Avi will be a much better bargain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 15 minutes ago, vilehoopster said: I'm a big Avi fan, so therefore, I think the Rays got a steal. If he has a bad year with his injuries like last year, Avi is gonna hit 20 home runs and bat .250. But if he can stay healthy, he's gonna hit 30 home runs and bat, at least, .290. I believe that totally. Jon Jay, is gonna bat .255 and hit 5 home runs for the Sox, with a weaker arm than Avi in the outfield, but more range (I'll give the Avi detractors that much). So, I think the Avi will be a much better bargain. Avi has hit 30 homers 0 times. He has hit 20 homers 0 times. He has hit .290 1 time. He has played in 150 games 0 times. He has played 140 games 1 time. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vilehoopster Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Jon Jay is 33 years old and never played in the all-star game. Avi is 27 and played in it in 2017. He think he has a much, much greater upside. We'll see who's right. I already told you, I'm a Avi fan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 14 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Avi has hit 30 homers 0 times. He has hit 20 homers 0 times. He has hit .290 1 time. He has played in 150 games 0 times. He has played 140 games 1 time. Helluva post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, vilehoopster said: Jon Jay is 33 years old and never played in the all-star game. Avi is 27 and played in it in 2017. He think he has a much, much greater upside. We'll see who's right. I already told you, I'm a Avi fan. You can be a fan, and still be objective. Avi has plenty of upside but he also can't stay healthy enough to start to find it. The Sox have other corners who can hit, not field, and not stay healthy. Besides all of that, Garcia will be a full free agent in a year. If something changes they can sign him again in a year. In the meantime it is time to see what others can do. If Avi could play CF, this might be a conversation worth having, but he can't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 5 hours ago, BlackSox13 said: This really isn't about Jay and Avi. Jay was brought in because Engel can't hit and the Sox needed a left handed bat that could play center. Imho, Avi is gone because of Palka's ability to hit for power from the left side and stay off the DL. The comp should be between Avi and Palka which, I'll take Palka. An interesting bang for buck comp is Engel and Jay. Jay is an upgrade over Yolmer and Leury which is good enough for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 so we can officially chalk up the Peavy acquisition and trade as another FO failure 🎉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 13 minutes ago, pcq said: Jay is an upgrade over Yolmer and Leury which is good enough for me. idk how you can say Jon Jay is an upgrade over Yolmer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 KW and Hahn argued Avi was athletic enough to play CF...once upon a time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 38 minutes ago, joesaiditstrue said: idk how you can say Jon Jay is an upgrade over Yolmer When was the last 2.5+ fWAR year for Jay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 16 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: KW and Hahn argued Avi was athletic enough to play CF...once upon a time. Funny considering he couldn't play the corners either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 If Avi stays healthy ... he is so much better than Jay it's not even funny. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Hey Avi only hit .330 over the course of an entire season once. Lots of major league players do that at least once during their career, right? Oh yea, he is prone to injury because of an accident fielding a line drive when he was playing at a much higher weight, but you know, he was injured last season so you put those injuries together and it is obvious, , he is a ticking time bomb, just waiting to be injured again. And he is slow....well at least he was before he lost weight and got in top shape. Low power numbers too which is absolutely unacceptable when you hit .330. No sense trying to master the strike zone a bit before starting to wail away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Jay is placeholder for Luis Robert and a replacement for Engel who should be DFAed. Avi's replacement is yet to be determined. Once we know , then the comparisons to Avi can be ddiscussed' Palka is a tank - strictly a DH and pinch hitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, tray said: Jay is placeholder for Luis Robert and a replacement for Engel who should be DFAed. Avi's replacement is yet to be determined. Once we know , then the comparisons to Avi can be ddiscussed' Palka is a tank - strictly a DH and pinch hitter. Viciedo resents that comp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomPickle Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 I would not at all be surprised if Avi outperforms Jay next year. I am not at all upset that I don't have to watch Avi play baseball for a team I care about in 2019. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 If Jon Jay helps deliver Machado, who the fuck cares is Avi is better? If he doesn’t, then it might matter. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Dick Allen said: If Jon Jay helps deliver Machado, who the fuck cares is Avi is better? If he doesn’t, then it might matter. This exactly. If Jay helps get Machado to sign here. The argument becomes Jay & Machado > Avi. Hands down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlackSox8 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Avi will outperform Jay by a lot If he's healthy all year. If he plays his average 110/120 games, he will still outperform Jay. Defensively is another question though, the Rays have Keirmeyer and Pham in the outfield, two great defenders to cover for him...hell, Avi will probably spend a lot of time at DH. keeping him off the field to possibly get injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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