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I hope there is at least a little bit to this rumor. Young Joc would be a huge upgrade. I don't think the rumored names going to the Dodgers make much sense, but I guess if Rich Hill is a salary dump it makes a little more sense. I wouldn't mind if Jace Fry were in this deal instead of Bummer.

People getting hung up on platoon splits is a little silly right now to me. Pederson is a legit major league player and Jay/Engel/Palka/Delmonico aren't. If the Sox are actually in the race in 2020 then maybe you try to find a platoon partner for Pederson, but right now I'll just happily take the massive upgrade in CF for now.

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I dno. I think we’re very high on palka because yes he has ridiculous power but .294 OBP! He’s 27, are we expecting him to get better? He’s an absolute wild card

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Just now, Fuagman said:

I dno. I think we’re very high on palka because yes he has ridiculous power but .294 OBP! He’s 27, are we expecting him to get better? He’s an absolute wild card

Sure he’s a wild card, but if you aren’t getting Manny or Bryce, you’re still in a rebuild season where you want to see what you have in Palka instead of Yonder.

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He could be back in Charlotte when Eloy is up. He may suck, who knows. Yonder has been decent consistent hitter and is a solid defender 

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Something I just happen to think about....

 

Would be slick as fuck for them to dump any of those guys while they still have value. And only way MLB could tell them they can't trade them is if they basically know they got them pinned. Hmm.

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Just now, caulfield12 said:

If we facilitate Harper to LA, we might lose Machado to the Phillies...

I don't think it's a coincidence that this rumors comes out the same night that the stuff about Pollock in talks with the Dodgers comes out. I think he's their replacement for Joc, hopefully.

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Yeah I believe the Dodgers are talking about these moves to facilitate Pollock rather than Harper.

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The original rumor came from Peggy Kusinski’s kid, FWIW. 

 

I’d venture to say this has some legs. 

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Maybe we are building a championship roster:

Jimenez, Harper, Pederson, Jay & Engel with Robert waiting is championship level.  

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Just now, Jerksticks said:

Maybe we are building a championship roster:

Jimenez, Harper, Pederson, Jay & Engel without Robert waiting is championship level.  

If we are getting Pederson I would much rather get Machado to help our 3B problem. Our hitting would be playoff caliber IMO, SP is another thing though. 

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3 minutes ago, smellysox said:

So what's Hill and Peterson's salaries?

Pederson makes $5M in 2019, and then 2020 is his final year of arbitration. 

Hill has 1 year left at $18M. Hopefully Hill is a negative asset and the Sox take him to either reduce the return for Pederson. Makes the "Fulmer/Bummer" scenario more plausible. 

 

Dodgers already saved money with the Kemp/Puig deal with the Reds. This deal would save them $21M in AAV against the luxury tax. Pollock would slot in under that amount.

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This deal seems like it would make a lot of sense for both sides. Sox get a quality outfielder and a guy they can slot into the #5 spot in the starting rotation, while the Dodgers clear some salary and get two potential bullpen pieces who are young and under team control for awhile. 

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1 minute ago, Whitesox27 said:

This deal seems like it would make a lot of sense for both sides. Sox get a quality outfielder and a guy they can slot into the #5 spot in the starting rotation, while the Dodgers clear some salary and get two potential bullpen pieces who are young and under team control for awhile. 

Rich Hill would be the Sox best starter if her were acquired. He gets hurt ever year so I could see him getting slotted as the #3 in the rotation, but when he's healthy it's hard to image he not the best starter on the team.

If everything goes perfectly a Rodon, Lopez, Hill, Giolito, Nova isn't going to be so bad that it keeps you from making the playoffs, but most likely it's just a stop gap group that requires three guys to be replaced on a playoff team.

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34 minutes ago, SoCalSox said:

The original rumor came from Peggy Kusinski’s kid, FWIW. 

 

I’d venture to say this has some legs. 

Only thing Peggy has broke in her professional career is some camera lenses

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4 minutes ago, Superstar Lamar said:

Only thing Peggy has broke in her professional career is some camera lenses

Wow. Just wow.

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14 minutes ago, TomPickle said:

Rich Hill would be the Sox best starter if her were acquired. He gets hurt ever year so I could see him getting slotted as the #3 in the rotation, but when he's healthy it's hard to image he not the best starter on the team.

If everything goes perfectly a Rodon, Lopez, Hill, Giolito, Nova isn't going to be so bad that it keeps you from making the playoffs, but most likely it's just a stop gap group that requires three guys to be replaced on a playoff team.

I do feel better about that starting 5 than what we threw out there last year. 

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Could Ricky then go with 12 pitchers instead of 13?

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I dont really understand the trade. Against RHP Palka and Joc hit very similar as far as HR and Avg last year. Palka had better splits against LHP.

Joc is historically bad against lefties and has two years of control left. Palka is not a free agent till 25’. So if this is true id assume* they are searching for a defensive upgrade in the outfield. and see palka as a trade peice for a SP/another part of the roster. Otherwise, this throws me off right now.

 Even if Rich Hill is part of the proposal, his durability makes me question his value on a rebuilding team on a bridge year

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1 hour ago, IowaPG said:

I dont really understand the trade. Against RHP Palka and Joc hit very similar as far as HR and Avg last year. Palka had better splits against LHP.

Joc is historically bad against lefties and has two years of control left. Palka is not a free agent till 25’. So if this is true id assume* they are searching for a defensive upgrade in the outfield. and see palka as a trade peice for a SP/another part of the roster. Otherwise, this throws me off right now.

 Even if Rich Hill is part of the proposal, his durability makes me question his value on a rebuilding team on a bridge year

If Palka could passably play CF, let alone RF, then you’d have an argument.

3.1, 3.6 and 2.7, three of his four years he’s averaged 9.4/3=3.1 fWAR if you throw out 2017.

Some team’s going to give Bryce Harper $325-375 million counting on at least 4 fWAR seasons.  

Palka’s projected at 0.6 or 0.5 for 2019, Pederson at 3 again.

 

The key is to have 4-5 guys who can put up a 2-3.5 (Anderson, Abreu, Pederson) and then you have Moncada, Jimenez and Machado to put up really big numbers.  That leaves catcher, DH (Alonso/Palka) and RF.   A move for Jones or Markakis here would not be shocking if they managed to get Pederson and Machado in the fold.  All of a sudden, you have a potentially excellent offense.

2B Moncada

3B Manny Machado

1B Jose Abreu

DH Yonder Alonso/Palka

LF  Eloy Jimenez

CF  Joc Pederson

C  Castillo

RF  Palka/Markakis/Adam Jones

SS  Tim Anderson

 

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6 hours ago, Quin said:

Also just gonna add that Bryce Bush for Joc Pederson would be incredibly moronic.

If any prospect not in the Top 10 has a chance to skyrocket this year, it's him.

100% agree.  We should of learned our lesson with hewhoshallnotbenamed.  I don’t care if Machado is basically in the bag, Bush can always be used as trade currency in the future when (hopefully) his value has increased.  IMO, guys like him, Curbelo, Sosa, Nunez should be off the table in any trades.  Yes they all may be lottery tickets, but like you phrased it, they have the best chance to “skyrocket this year” and this rebuild is going to need multiple waves of talent if it’s going to work.

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Don't mind me, I'm just gonna share some images of Joc and Manny embracing each other:

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