LittleHurt05 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 29 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: Dodgers Stadium at night the ball doesn't carry very well. Hopefully, several of those flyouts find their way to the first or second row at GRF. In recent memory, is there a hitter the Sox have acquired who has actually seen an increase in offensive numbers due to the ballpark? I feel like we always hear, "wait until he gets to hit at the Cell", and then nothing changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryzner Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, 103 mph screwball said: I agree with this. I see the point of batting average being less important than OBP. However, there are limits. Would you want someone with a .350 OBP and a .228 average or would you want a player with a .350 OBP and a .310 average? Walks do not score a runner from second base. Pederson has low strike outs though. That to me is a major plus. A ground out can advance a runner. A strike out doesn't (usually). I think those of us that hate low averages are traumatized by Adam Dunn era. If that makes me a cave man, I'm ok with that. The bolded part is important to me and is why I do like wOBA (weighted on-base average) quite a bit. wOBA values singles better than walks, doubles better than singles, etc. for this very reason. Edited January 25, 2019 by aryzner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, 103 mph screwball said: I agree with this. I see the point of batting average being less important than OBP. However, there are limits. Would you want someone with a .350 OBP and a .228 average or would you want a player with a .350 OBP and a .310 average? Walks do not score a runner from second base. Pederson has low strike outs though. That to me is a major plus. A ground out can advance a runner. A strike out doesn't (usually). I think those of us that hate low averages are traumatized by Adam Dunn era. If that makes me a cave man, I'm ok with that. Pederson hit .245 + in his age 24 and 26 seasons, and had a lingering neck injury and concussion in 2017. His shortened age 22 and age 23 season had low averages and high Ks, but good OBP and decent power. He has progressed to cut his k rate substantially. I think focusing excessively on his BA is misguided. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 So how confident are we that this is going down today? And how confident are we that it is Fulmer, Bummer and Rivera? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 36 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: Dodgers Stadium at night the ball doesn't carry very well. Hopefully, several of those flyouts find their way to the first or second row at GRF. Over the last 3 seasons, he has actually hit better at home, including more home runs, per plate appearance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, LittleHurt05 said: In recent memory, is there a hitter the Sox have acquired who has actually seen an increase in offensive numbers due to the ballpark? I feel like we always hear, "wait until he gets to hit at the Cell", and then nothing changes. I don’t think it’s ever been noticeable. Biggest example was everyone thinking swisher would be way better here but nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 When the hell is Joc being introduced? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 11 minutes ago, LittleHurt05 said: In recent memory, is there a hitter the Sox have acquired who has actually seen an increase in offensive numbers due to the ballpark? I feel like we always hear, "wait until he gets to hit at the Cell", and then nothing changes. They usually get MUCH worse.. lol Thome is the last FA that I can think of that played really well lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, bmags said: I don’t think it’s ever been noticeable. Biggest example was everyone thinking swisher would be way better here but nope. Teahen was gonna be a beast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 41 minutes ago, TomPickle said: I honestly don't know because I haven't watched him play a lot, but his batted ball profile is not that different than Daniel Palka. Line Drive/Ground Ball/Fly Ball Pederson: 17% / 39.4% / 43.6% Palka: 16.3 % / 45.8% / 37.9 Soft Contact/Medium/Hard Pederson: 19.4% / 47.6% / 33.0% Palka: 20.5% / 43.2% / 36.4% BABIP Pederson: .253 Palka: .308 Well, Palka strikes out about 35% of the time, that's a pretty big difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
103 mph screwball Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, bmags said: Pederson hit .245 + in his age 24 and 26 seasons, and had a lingering neck injury and concussion in 2017. His shortened age 22 and age 23 season had low averages and high Ks, but good OBP and decent power. He has progressed to cut his k rate substantially. I think focusing excessively on his BA is misguided. Great points. I want to be clear that I want Pederson on the Sox. 10 minutes ago, aryzner said: The bolded part is important to me and is why I do like wOBA (weighted on-base average) quite a bit. wOBA values singles better than walks, doubles better than singles, etc. for this very reason. wOBA is something I will have to look into. I agree that this seems more useful than OBP. Also, ROEs do not factor into OBP. There is value to putting the ball in play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 48 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: Dodgers Stadium at night the ball doesn't carry very well. Hopefully, several of those flyouts find their way to the first or second row at GRF. The problem is that alot of the advanced metrics are all-ready essentially crediting him with those home runs (negative park factors). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomPickle Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, daggins said: Well, Palka strikes out about 35% of the time, that's a pretty big difference. Sure, but that doesn't really have anything to do with why someone's BABIP would be almost 50 points lower than the "expected" BABIP of .300. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Just now, TomPickle said: Sure, but that doesn't really have anything to do with why someone's BABIP would be almost 50 points lower than the "expected" BABIP of .300. Sure it does. Pederson puts the ball in play more often, and since he hits it in the air much more than the average player, he makes more outs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 23 minutes ago, LittleHurt05 said: In recent memory, is there a hitter the Sox have acquired who has actually seen an increase in offensive numbers due to the ballpark? I feel like we always hear, "wait until he gets to hit at the Cell", and then nothing changes. They get steversend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, LittleHurt05 said: In recent memory, is there a hitter the Sox have acquired who has actually seen an increase in offensive numbers due to the ballpark? I feel like we always hear, "wait until he gets to hit at the Cell", and then nothing changes. Yea, where are the "big slugging lefty from the NL" concerns? Edited January 25, 2019 by GREEDY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth G.O.A.T. Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 21 minutes ago, 103 mph screwball said: I agree with this. I see the point of batting average being less important than OBP. However, there are limits. Would you want someone with a .350 OBP and a .228 average or would you want a player with a .350 OBP and a .310 average? Walks do not score a runner from second base. Pederson has low strike outs though. That to me is a major plus. A ground out can advance a runner. A strike out doesn't (usually). I think those of us that hate low averages are traumatized by Adam Dunn era. If that makes me a cave man, I'm ok with that. Adam Dunn was always at the top of the league in strikeouts though. He also clearly didn't age well from ages 31 - 34 with the White Sox. It was literally the end of his career. Hindsight is always 20/20. But Joc is not Dunn. Regarding the .228 avg and .350 OBP vs the .310 avg and .350 OBP guy, you'd need more information to determine that. What's is his wRC+, RBI, HR, SLG... A host of different things could provide you with who you'd rather have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 9 hours ago, Orlando said: Also I know, I know we have shared a bunch of fake insiders but this guy claims to want no credit and says it’s a burner account. Has the same package as the palhose1 guy I'd be down with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 9 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Robert has more raw talent than anyone in the system. He has more raw talent than manny machado. Robert played as a 19 and 20 year old. He's young for his level and he impresses everyone who watches him. BP power matters when you're that young. He's younger than every top 10 prospect. Bruh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drgiggles15 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 On 1/20/2019 at 7:30 PM, IowaPG said: For those who can't watch it on TV like me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 12 minutes ago, TomPickle said: Sure, but that doesn't really have anything to do with why someone's BABIP would be almost 50 points lower than the "expected" BABIP of .300. His baseball savant page is pretty weird. I'm not really sure why his ba is so low, his reduction in Ks has shown he barrels the ball less than before, but all of his expected production is basically in line. He gets pitched to low and away a ton, and barrels the fewest balls there, yet has some of his highest BA zones there too. It's a weird profile someone batter at this than me may figure out. https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/joc-pederson-592626?stats=statcast-r-hitting-milb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 So is this actually happening or is this just speculation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 8 hours ago, SoxAce said: Would much, MUCH rather see Laz go over Bush. Would love that deal. Like not even in the same stratosphere happy. That is a great move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said: Like not even in the same stratosphere happy. That is a great move. Is this the return that's pretty much confirmed? Fulmer, Bummer and Rivera? Or just speculation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Lillian said: Someone please explain how my dream "conspiracy" could still be true, in light of this sobering word, from "Balta". Is it really all that implausible? Is there a way that the deal could be solidified, and still not have it published? Would postponing a pending physical, until after the announcement, lock in the player, without having it become official? Unless it was solidified, phsyicalled like yesterday, there's no chance. They're not going to announce something without a physical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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