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2 hours ago, Dick Allen said:

Hub said the Bears turned down 3rd round picks for Howard.

  Does this mean we had a team offering us multiple 3rd round picks?  

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2 hours ago, soxfan49 said:

There's virtually no chance any team offered a 3rd for Howard. He's a slow RB with questionable hands who's gotten worse each year. I find that hard to believe.

Lets just remind everyone that his first two years, I believe he was the 2nd most productive back in rushing yards in the NFL (or something like that) and his YAC was fantastic.  He is limited and had a rough 3rd season in the league, but the dude was a beast his first two years with the Bears.  

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Dan Pompei said on the radio this morning that Clinton-Dix would be an upgrade over Amos. 

I wonder if he has ever watched them play before.

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6 minutes ago, GoSox05 said:

Dan Pompei said on the radio this morning that Clinton-Dix would be an upgrade over Amos. 

I wonder if he has ever watched them play before.

Spoiler alert: he has

I listened to it also, they have been saying that Haha would be an upgrade because he is a ballhawk and Amos isn't, and he won't have to worry about covering as long because the bears have a much better pass rush.   Amos is awesome at run support, he is just ok at pass coverage.  Seems like haha is awful at run support and decent to good at pass coverage(I know he gets burned, I have seen the videos)

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35 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

Spoiler alert: he has

I listened to it also, they have been saying that Haha would be an upgrade because he is a ballhawk and Amos isn't, and he won't have to worry about covering as long because the bears have a much better pass rush.   Amos is awesome at run support, he is just ok at pass coverage.  Seems like haha is awful at run support and decent to good at pass coverage(I know he gets burned, I have seen the videos)

He is actually really bad at both run stopping at pass coverage. He just takes the worst angles, I don't know what happened to him. 

Early in his career I thought he was going to be really good.  Last two years and last year especially he was so bad.  I like him, he seems like a cool dude and good locker room guy.  He just got so bad the past two years.

 

I'll take this over a player who has three or four INT, but also gives up a ton of big plays.

 

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I'd like Haha more if Fangio was still here. He has a very good tendency to mask weaknesses on certain players. There's a reason Haha was drafted so high though. The talent is there. Just not sure if Pagano is the guy to help him unleash it. 

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3 hours ago, GoSox05 said:

He is actually really bad at both run stopping at pass coverage. He just takes the worst angles, I don't know what happened to him. 

Early in his career I thought he was going to be really good.  Last two years and last year especially he was so bad.  I like him, he seems like a cool dude and good locker room guy.  He just got so bad the past two years.

 

I'll take this over a player who has three or four INT, but also gives up a ton of big plays.

 

Amos is fine as a cleanup safety. But when he was given more responsibility and more ground to cover with Eddie Jackson out, he was definitely exposed. Especially in the second half of the playoff game against the Eagles. There were 3-4 instances where a safety with better instincts and speed could have made numerous huge stops for the Bears in Amos' position. Instead, Amos kept a Eagles TD drive alive with a late hit penalty (because of the fact he has limited range) and allowed the final TD drive to continue by not even looking at Alshon Jeffrey on a third and medium conversion. I think there's a reason why the Broncos and Bears passed on him even though he got a pretty reasonable deal in the grand scheme of things. 

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49 minutes ago, SoxAce said:

I'd like Haha more if Fangio was still here. He has a very good tendency to mask weaknesses on certain players. There's a reason Haha was drafted so high though. The talent is there. Just not sure if Pagano is the guy to help him unleash it. 

Pagano played strong safety came up as a DB coach and is known for helping DBs excel.

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2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Did he overlap at Alabama with Jackson?

2013

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I like that it's a one year deal. Take a safety in the draft and see if he can replace him in a year. We need cap space to retain Eddie Jackson next year. 

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1 minute ago, chw42 said:

I like that it's a one year deal. Take a safety in the draft and see if he can replace him in a year. We need cap space to retain Eddie Jackson next year. 

Yeah, the one year deal part is probably the best part. I want to see the terms and see what else they can do this offseason, but this should be an OK stopgap. 

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3 minutes ago, Tony said:

Yeah, the one year deal part is probably the best part. I want to see the terms and see what else they can do this offseason, but this should be an OK stopgap. 

Good plan for one year. A veteran to play in a competitive year while they groom the rookie they take in the draft.  Much less likely to have big mistakes in the secomdary.

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1 minute ago, Tony said:

WHAT A CAP HIT

Holy hell that's cheap. We still have 15.5 million left in cap room. 

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One thing HHCD does well is he always plays.  He's never missed a game and played almost every snap when with the Packers.

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Was hoping they roll the dice on Berry but HHCD will do. Can’t complain about the price at all. By my calculation they still have about $13.5M cap space (more if you count Top 51).

I wonderful if Houston is next or they are looking to trade for a contract with a team trying to free up space.

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With our pass rush and the ability to play next to Eddie, pretty much any safety is gonna look good. Smart contract for both sides, he'll get paid well next year. 

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7 hours ago, GoSox05 said:

He is actually really bad at both run stopping at pass coverage. He just takes the worst angles, I don't know what happened to him. 

Early in his career I thought he was going to be really good.  Last two years and last year especially he was so bad.  I like him, he seems like a cool dude and good locker room guy.  He just got so bad the past two years.

 

I'll take this over a player who has three or four INT, but also gives up a ton of big plays.

 

As I've said many times, whether it's HHCD or Amos, they were going to be one of the 2 or 3 worst players on the defense. It's about not being a complete fuck up out there and everything will be fine.

As for PFF, that website is nonsense and anyone who trusts those "scouting reports" and "game recaps" are just as goofy.

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Lmao the Raiders paid Jordy Nelson a $3M roster bonus and then cut him today.  GRUDENED

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4 minutes ago, soxfan49 said:

As I've said many times, whether it's HHCD or Amos, they were going to be one of the 2 or 3 worst players on the defense. It's about not being a complete fuck up out there and everything will be fine.

As for PFF, that website is nonsense and anyone who trusts those "scouting reports" and "game recaps" are just as goofy.

I think it correct. It just depends on which style you prefer, the safe no big plays either way or the risky big play turnover and give up a few big plays. Both have 5heir positives and negatives. 

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8 minutes ago, soxfan49 said:

As I've said many times, whether it's HHCD or Amos, they were going to be one of the 2 or 3 worst players on the defense. It's about not being a complete fuck up out there and everything will be fine.

As for PFF, that website is nonsense and anyone who trusts those "scouting reports" and "game recaps" are just as goofy.

It's a tool for measuring players.  Just like reports by Football Outsiders. 

It's not the end all be all, but I haven't seen anyone say it's complete nonsense.

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