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6 hours ago, Balta1701 said:

Go check the 2017 Mock Drafts. I found 3, and the first QB off the board in all 3 was Trubisky. If it was common knowledge that those 2 were better, it didn't filter through to the people doing mock drafts. 

There were a lot of draft boards that were split on either Watson or Trubisky as the top QB, but Mahomes was always seen as the more risky pick than either of those two.

I'll never understand what so many scouts thought they saw in a guy who only ever played a handful of college games, though.

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Who would you rather have? Nagy and Trubiskey where they play the short game and go nowhere or Gase and Darnold who continue to throw deep passes no matter what and throw 4 picks?

Death is not an option.

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Just seems like the NFL is too fast for Mitch.  His reads, decision-making, and throws all seem rushed.  He just looks way over his head and it’s hard to see how he shakes out of this.

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48 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Just seems like the NFL is too fast for Mitch.  His reads, decision-making, and throws all seem rushed.  He just looks way over his head and it’s hard to see how he shakes out of this.

That's part of the reason Bill Parcell always said that you dont draft a QB high unless they started 4 years in school. They get the experience of doing this and you can evaluate  their effectiveness at it.

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So there's this meta-discussion happening and because I pay attention to which specific people in various places are saying things at certain times, I'm interpreting a lot of the more harsh criticism of Nagy being people low key making excuses for Trubisky. This is being couched in "Trubisky has to be better but Nagy's play calling..." or "yeah but Nagy isn't running the ball enough..." So while there are elements of truth in this it's irrelevant and these are people who are only recently, reluctantly admitting fault in Trubisky because they were apologists until this week.

For all the shit Nagy takes for his play calling (7 run plays, ignoring Montgomery, letting Cohen become a non-factor, those things are completely warranted) the fact is the receivers ARE getting open (sometimes wide open!) and Trubisky either just doesn't see them or overthrows them by several yards. He stares down Robinson and never even looks at Gabriel - who is actually doing a great job and gets open often - or Miller or whichever running back is on a route. That isn't the running game, the offensive line, "Nagy's play calling" or anything else, Trubisky is specifically and directly accountable for that. If Nagy was doing anything more than he already is to help Trubisky he would have to throw the ball for him. Or Nagy does call a run in the form of an RPO but Trubisky will read P instead of R (Nagy has mentioned this while trying not to throw Trubisky under the bus) which makes the run-pass ratio worse than it already is. There is some blame to go around but not all of it can be shared.

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14 hours ago, South Sider said:

I don't think you're going to find a QB in season who will give you significant improvement. Everyone involved has the rest of this year to figure it out, for me. There's not much else they can do. This is the bed they have made.

If Mitch can't start showing some signs of being a good QB this year, then you have to take a hard look at Pace or whoever the actual fuck wanted him so bad that they had to trade up to get him. It's a serious offense of talent evaluation because you HAVE to be right on the money there. They stuck their entire future to this guy and if he flames out there's gonna be some heads rolling at Halas Hall. 

We're all sick of the cute shit where people think they know more than the rest of the league. It was basically common knowledge that Mahomes and Watson were the the top 2 QBs in the draft. I'm not plugged in that much, but I knew their names. When the show showed Trubisky as the pick I wondered who the hell he even was? It's a damn cute pick, thinking we're smarter than everyone and we found out that Mitch is not just the best QB in the draft, but the best one by a LANDSLIDE. 

Nah this is revisionist. Trubisky was absolutely considered a legitimate prospect in the draft and would've gone in the first round had Pace not drafted him. The completely pointless trade-up to get him and leaving Watson on the board is completely fair criticism though and I tried to tell myself it was water under the bridge but it was just utterly wasted draft capital and one of the dumbest trades in franchise history. Verdict is definitely out on that one.

Edit: so I finished reading the thread and a bunch of people already jumped on this lol

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14 hours ago, Dick Allen said:

This is probably a lost season, although I think they were 3-3 last year. But their offense hasn't been this bad since Bob Avelini. Chances that it turns around when the head coach admits he has no answers is very doubtful.

I just hope the Bears dont stick with Mitch like they did with Cutler, way past the time it was obvious things aren't going to ever be good enough.

So  I really hate to be a stereotypical meatball Chicago fan who is always talking about the backup QB but Chase Daniel, while a statue in the pocket who will never be great, does not simply leave wide open receivers standing around and it's really time to seriously consider handing the reins over to him. I would not have said this even a month ago. The offense with him is barely average, but the offense with Mitch is as bad as anything John Fox's teams ran out there.

 

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10 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Just seems like the NFL is too fast for Mitch.  His reads, decision-making, and throws all seem rushed.  He just looks way over his head and it’s hard to see how he shakes out of this.

Which is why you have to at least try and run the ball, even if it's a struggle. Keep the defense honest. Never know when you are going to break a big run off.

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Calling Grossman a downright scrub is harsh, considering the 2006 Bears were 15th in the league in offense.

If the 2019 Bears were that "scrubbish" they would probably be 6-0.

:(

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51 minutes ago, Brian said:

Which is why you have to at least try and run the ball, even if it's a struggle. Keep the defense honest. Never know when you are going to break a big run off.

You never want to wind up with 7 runs in a game, but it's a symptom of the problem, not the problem itself. Start off trying to throw the ball and Mitch gives up terrible sacks, so you wind up 2nd and long and 3rd and long - can't run there. One possession turns into a touchdown (Yay) but it's on a kick return so no runs are tallied. Then you have a couple fumbles, and wind up down 2 scores early, so you have to focus on throwing the ball, and you wind up with that stat. We've seen even good coaches like Reid get there.

That's not a problem with your game plan, it comes from all the other problems. 

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Normally you might have a point, but 7 runs? That is less than 2 a quarter,  and the first one was a receiver who fumbled.  It wasn't like the game was a blowout from the start. It was a pretty close game for a half. Even if you average 2 yards a carry, it beats up the defense, and eats clock which will rest yours.

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When do we start talking about how Pace sucks at drafting in the 1st 2 rounds? The Jury's still out  on Smith, but as of right now the only other good 1st or 2nd round pick he's made is Eddie Goldman. 

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I think at least its clear to me his run scheme is not working at all. His line isn't good at it. His QB isn't a threat to pass from it. They need to start under center more and do more play action and roll outs from that.

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4 hours ago, soxfan49 said:

Calling Grossman a downright scrub is harsh, considering the 2006 Bears were 15th in the league in offense.

If the 2019 Bears were that "scrubbish" they would probably be 6-0.

:(

Raise your standards dude. Grossman was a scrub. 

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9 hours ago, soxfan49 said:

Calling Grossman a downright scrub is harsh, considering the 2006 Bears were 15th in the league in offense.

If the 2019 Bears were that "scrubbish" they would probably be 6-0.

:(

That Bears team had an extremely good OL as well as good skill position players. Rex was a scrub then and he would be terrible on this Bears team too.

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2 minutes ago, StrangeSox said:

 

Yeah that's one that definitely gives me pause. It's a failure on a scheme and QB level, but when they can so easily trick the QB it's bad.

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3 hours ago, bmags said:

Yeah that's one that definitely gives me pause. It's a failure on a scheme and QB level, but when they can so easily trick the QB it's bad.

when you look at the shot at the end, it looks like the right call would have been hand off to Montgomery who had a hole for at least a couple yards. Not a great play or anything, but certainly better than a big sack

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