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5 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:

Dumping Mitch now would be a huge mistake.  He has played like ass, but he still has talent and the Bears coaching staff needs to do everything to get him right. There best and quickest path forward is with Mitch. They can reevaluate that decision in the off-season and bring in a veteran who can contend for the job (whether that is Matt Ryan or Andy Dalton or Marcus Marriotta).  

I think they have to keep him because of how much they invested in him and I think going out and getting someone like Dalton(trade and 17 million cap hit) or Marriotta(probably 15 million plus) is way too expensive for the Bears.

I just don't see the talent with Trubisky.  Arm strength isn't really there, His accuracy on sideline throws is awful, he has a hard time throwing downfield.  I would say his best asset is his ability to move in the pocket and scramble. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:

He also hasn't played football in years.  I think it would be pretty hard to sign him mid-season and expect anything from him.  

That's a good point, but I don't think anyone should buy the reason he hasn't played  in 3 years is because he sucks. To deny he was blackballed, isn't being realistic. 

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Also, I don't know why more teams don't run play action fake on most plays when the qb takes the ball under center.  Packers annihilated the Raiders with it yesterday and were averaging 2.6 yards per carry.

 

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3 minutes ago, GoSox05 said:

I think they have to keep him because of how much they invested in him and I think going out and getting someone like Dalton(trade and 17 million cap hit) or Marriotta(probably 15 million plus) is way too expensive for the Bears.

I just don't see the talent with Trubisky.  Arm strength isn't really there, His accuracy on sideline throws is awful, he has a hard time throwing downfield.  I would say his best asset is his ability to move in the pocket and scramble. 

 

His scrambling ability is almost non existent right now as it was clear yesterday he was very worried about taking a hit to the left shoulder 

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3 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

His scrambling ability is almost non existent right now as it was clear yesterday he was very worried about taking a hit to the left shoulder 

I don’t think it’s just that, teams are leaving a spy  on him And he hasn’t taken advantage of the fewer men on coverage. Just terrible QB play.

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4 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

His scrambling ability is almost non existent right now as it was clear yesterday he was very worried about taking a hit to the left shoulder 

That's understandable.  His injury looked painful. 

 

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13 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

That's a good point, but I don't think anyone should buy the reason he hasn't played  in 3 years is because he sucks. To deny he was blackballed, isn't being realistic. 

I think the first year...it was the reason...probably became less so the longer he spent out of football.  I also think he had demonstrated he probably wasn't an upper echelon starter and was more likely a middle of the pack QB to a top notch back-up QB.  How willing you are to deal with the PR headaches from that sort of player change your perceived view of that player.  

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6 minutes ago, bmags said:

I don’t think it’s just that, teams are leaving a spy  on him And he hasn’t taken advantage of the fewer men on coverage. Just terrible QB play.

2 or 3 times yesterday when he normally would take off. He drove and threw. I am not blaming him, but if he can't scramble and do something with his legs, his badness is magnified.

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7 minutes ago, bmags said:

I don’t think it’s just that, teams are leaving a spy  on him And he hasn’t taken advantage of the fewer men on coverage. Just terrible QB play.

I haven't seen a ton of spying on him.  Right now, I think with his injury, it is pretty clear that he doesn't want to get it and is trying to get rid of the football. In fact, there were a few times where it looked like he wanted to make a play but that harness prevented him from making an awkward throw.  You could clearly see though he was favoring it on rushes and/or when he was going to get hit.  I don't think it really impacted his accuracy though.  

An optimist would say the momentum they gained during the prevent defense (final 2 TD drives) could be one of those things that the offense carries forward against the Chargers.  The flipside of that is, they still looked like an offense that just struggled to make plays.  The offensive design just looks meh.  You have a QB who isn't a great pure pocket passer, being asked to be a pure pocket passer, being fed a 201/301 view of the offense (vs. a more simplified view..since what McVay did for Goff 1st couple years), and zero rushing attack to help with play action, etc.  Like I said, a lot of issues and a chunk falls on the oline, RB, TE, as well as the whole coaching staff and QB.  

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1 minute ago, Dick Allen said:

2 or 3 times yesterday when he normally would take off. He drove and threw. I am not blaming him, but if he can't scramble and do something with his legs, his badness is magnified.

There were quite a few plays yesterday, where literally it looks like Mitch had only one option to go with the other wideouts literally being decoys. When the other team defended the screen he was basically left with pure squat.  It goes back to how weak I think the scheme is right now (to go with mediocre to bad QB play and a non-existent running game).  

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1 minute ago, Chisoxfn said:

I haven't seen a ton of spying on him.  Right now, I think with his injury, it is pretty clear that he doesn't want to get it and is trying to get rid of the football. In fact, there were a few times where it looked like he wanted to make a play but that harness prevented him from making an awkward throw.  You could clearly see though he was favoring it on rushes and/or when he was going to get hit.  I don't think it really impacted his accuracy though.  

An optimist would say the momentum they gained during the prevent defense (final 2 TD drives) could be one of those things that the offense carries forward against the Chargers.  The flipside of that is, they still looked like an offense that just struggled to make plays.  The offensive design just looks meh.  You have a QB who isn't a great pure pocket passer, being asked to be a pure pocket passer, being fed a 201/301 view of the offense (vs. a more simplified view..since what McVay did for Goff 1st couple years), and zero rushing attack to help with play action, etc.  Like I said, a lot of issues and a chunk falls on the oline, RB, TE, as well as the whole coaching staff and QB.  

But we had games with him prior to his injury and he also was not running. It was not a new phenomenon.

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2 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:

I haven't seen a ton of spying on him.  Right now, I think with his injury, it is pretty clear that he doesn't want to get it and is trying to get rid of the football. In fact, there were a few times where it looked like he wanted to make a play but that harness prevented him from making an awkward throw.  You could clearly see though he was favoring it on rushes and/or when he was going to get hit.  I don't think it really impacted his accuracy though.  

An optimist would say the momentum they gained during the prevent defense (final 2 TD drives) could be one of those things that the offense carries forward against the Chargers.  The flipside of that is, they still looked like an offense that just struggled to make plays.  The offensive design just looks meh.  You have a QB who isn't a great pure pocket passer, being asked to be a pure pocket passer, being fed a 201/301 view of the offense (vs. a more simplified view..since what McVay did for Goff 1st couple years), and zero rushing attack to help with play action, etc.  Like I said, a lot of issues and a chunk falls on the oline, RB, TE, as well as the whole coaching staff and QB.  

The HC just said those TD's don't matter at all, it's garbage time and they mean nothing. 

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2 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:

I think the first year...it was the reason...probably became less so the longer he spent out of football.  I also think he had demonstrated he probably wasn't an upper echelon starter and was more likely a middle of the pack QB to a top notch back-up QB.  How willing you are to deal with the PR headaches from that sort of player change your perceived view of that player.  

If it makes the team better I am fine. He broke no laws.  Whether you agree or disagree with his view is supposed to be irrelevant .

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Things are deteriorating very quickly... was Nagy truly a prodigy of Andy Reid? He seems like a really good guy, but the pressure cooker is going to be turned up to the highest level now. How will he handle it? Last season was a fairy tale for him with fans and media but they all turn very, very quickly. He built up some trust, and we all trusted what the coaching staff said that things will be fixed. But, a game or 2 more like this and he will have lost all the trust. 

It's really a shame because he seemed like a great match for us. But how much of it is on him? I realize the play calling was absolute trash. They can't abandon the run game like that. Mitch Trubisky is not Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady who can single handedly take over a game. If his passing game is going to work, it needs to be built off of a strong run game so that they can incorporate successful play action. It almost seems like they want to build the passing game first but if that's the case then you need to add in some draw plays, right? 

Are the X's and O's of this team a product of bad coaches or coaches who know that their personnel is trash and trying to put together something that will work? They have almost no tight end and on most plays the O-line is just getting wrecked. Tarik Cohen has been hot garbage all year, Anthony Miller sucks. I mean, it really doesn't seem like the players are giving the coaches much to work with! 

If this season keeps heading in this direction, management is going to have to make some tough decisions about some of these offensive players. As much as his play has been bad, I don't think I can blame this whole thing on Trubisky. Obviously, he's still young and making mistakes of his own but it's not like he's getting much help from anyone not named Allen Robinson and occasionally Taylor Gabriel. With that in mind, I would really like to see if he can develop when he's actually surrounded with some talent or better coaching or whatever. The same thing applies to Nagy, in my mind. Even if this year ends up a disaster, you have to try to put together a better group of offensive players to see if it's really coaching or not that's the problem. 

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4 minutes ago, bmags said:

But we had games with him prior to his injury and he also was not running. It was not a new phenomenon.

Like I said, I was watching a player who looks like he has been coached into a robot. Part of that is on Mitch but I think part of this is on how they are coaching him. I really think they have been putting too much on a young QB. The exact definition of what Nagy was doing was putting him in a position where he had to take forever to process vs. play fast. It is the counter of what some of the up and coming offenses have been doing with their young QB's.  The whole reason we've seen more young QB's excel is OC's are simplifying playbook and doing things to help them play "fast". From Mcvay to Reid to Harbaugh to O'Brien.  Nagy eventually got it right last year (after an awful first few weeks).  I'm not sure whether he'll get it right this year. 

The big challenge with young QB's is when teams start to get more advanced and more and more game film is out there on them and their offenses, how well can you do when you have to start reading faster and doing more complex things.  It isn't as if Watson has been stellar all season. He's had some pretty bad games and has been very turnover prone...but he's also had some absolutely electric games.  

Mitch looks like a broken QB who has zero momentum and/or confidence.  

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6 minutes ago, Tony said:

The HC just said those TD's don't matter at all, it's garbage time and they mean nothing. 

Especially since they were lucky to score on both those drives as Mitch threw multiple balls that easily could have been picked.

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8 minutes ago, Tony said:

The HC just said those TD's don't matter at all, it's garbage time and they mean nothing. 

Probably true...I just noticed him playing a little different. He looked to be playing a bit faster...that is all. But I always like to find a glimmer of hope in anything.  The reality is, I see a crap offense with a QB who is extremely timid to make a decision.  

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2 minutes ago, whitesoxfan99 said:

Especially since they were lucky to score on both those drives as Mitch threw multiple balls that easily could have been picked.

Very true.  I also thought it was nice to see Shaheen, Miller, and Wims get in on the garbage action.  

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3 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:

Probably true...I just noticed him playing a little different. He looked to be playing a bit faster...that is all. But I always like to find a glimmer of hope in anything.  The reality is, I see a crap offense with a QB who is extremely timid to make a decision.  

Yup, we all see it. It's very easy to spot, unfortunately. 

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1 minute ago, Tony said:

Yup, we all see it. It's very easy to spot, unfortunately. 

I still go back to the point, right now, the fastest way to fix it, is to fix that QB.  He isn't too far gone where this has been a 3 year issue. This looks like a guy who has lost his confidence and swagger and needing to find ways to get it back so he can play fast.  Usually an offense can go to things that it does well to get someone back on track, but I don't know what this offense does well.  They literally have minimal ability to do simple plays, especially since they can't run the football and have heaping garbage at TE (two things which are a young QB's best asset).  

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But when everything is going bad...having a game where you lose 2 fumbles and have a punt blocked for a safety...it doesn't do much to give you a ton of confidence/create momentum.  

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Oh and don't get me started on 7 carries, one of which was an RPO and one of which was a run to Miller who fumbled.  The RPO was flat garbage since everyone on the planet would know that the Bears aren't going to have Mitch on like the 2nd play of the game keep the ball and have his shoulder crushed.  That would have been purely brilliant.  

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21 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:

Like I said, I was watching a player who looks like he has been coached into a robot. Part of that is on Mitch but I think part of this is on how they are coaching him. I really think they have been putting too much on a young QB. The exact definition of what Nagy was doing was putting him in a position where he had to take forever to process vs. play fast. It is the counter of what some of the up and coming offenses have been doing with their young QB's.  The whole reason we've seen more young QB's excel is OC's are simplifying playbook and doing things to help them play "fast". From Mcvay to Reid to Harbaugh to O'Brien.  Nagy eventually got it right last year (after an awful first few weeks).  I'm not sure whether he'll get it right this year. 

The big challenge with young QB's is when teams start to get more advanced and more and more game film is out there on them and their offenses, how well can you do when you have to start reading faster and doing more complex things.  It isn't as if Watson has been stellar all season. He's had some pretty bad games and has been very turnover prone...but he's also had some absolutely electric games.  

Mitch looks like a broken QB who has zero momentum and/or confidence.  

Oh my. Enough blaming the coach for the QB being complete trash. 

Putting too much on the 2nd pick in the draft in his 3rd full NFL season. How long do you need to baby him?

He's not a "young QB" anymore. Enough with the experience excuses.

It's not the coaching staffs fault that Mitch can never find the open guy. It's not the coaching staffs fault that Mitch can't hit basic corner routes and seem routes - missed 1 TD and one massive gain yesterday.

It's not the coaches fault the QB cant read a defense pre snap and adjust to the proper play.

Nagy should run more, he's making mistakes no doubt but the bears problems this year are tied to the fact that their QB just is not good.

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4 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:

Oh and don't get me started on 7 carries, one of which was an RPO and one of which was a run to Miller who fumbled.  The RPO was flat garbage since everyone on the planet would know that the Bears aren't going to have Mitch on like the 2nd play of the game keep the ball and have his shoulder crushed.  That would have been purely brilliant.  

The Bears ran like 16 RPO's yesterday, mitch never has any idea which one to chose.

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Just now, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Oh my. Enough blaming the coach for the QB being complete trash. 

Putting too much on the 2nd pick in the draft in his 3rd full NFL season. How long do you need to baby him?

He's not a "young QB" anymore. Enough with the experience excuses.

It's not the coaching staffs fault that Mitch can never find the open guy. It's not the coaching staffs fault that Mitch can't hit basic corner routes and seem routes - missed 1 TD and one massive gain yesterday.

It's not the coaches fault the QB cant read a defense pre snap and adjust to the proper play.

Nagy should run more, he's making mistakes no doubt but the bears problems this year are tied to the fact that their QB just is not good.

I have blamed Mitch too. I think it falls equally on both and there are also other players. We'll see how they respond and if they can fix it.  The good news is they are 3-3 and thus have time. They have a tough schedule and a difficult NFL north, however, the Bears next 3 opponents (Charges, Lions & Eagles) are in about the same place the Bears are in.  In fact, the Chargers & Eagles have had even more disastrous starts than the Bears (and they had high aspirations as well).  All of these teams are going to see if they can flip a switch and get things figured out...but right now...the Bears season (and Mitch Trubisky's career) is officially at a crossroads.  

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