Two-Gun Pete Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: How is reactionary when they always try to sign their big prospects to extensions? Is reactionary when you pay money to someone who hasn't faced an MLB pitch, especially after having promised the fans that there would be "no financial constraints" in pursuing a young star like Machado. We all agree that it is probably a lesser risk than most to extend Eloy, given Jimenez's MiLB record, but it is a risk nonetheless. For Hahn to state, "The money will be spent" after the Machado blunder, then giving a contract extension to Jimenez seems to be reactionary, IMO. 14 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: $43 million/= $300 million. 0 fWAR/= 30.3 fWAR Edited March 26, 2019 by Two-Gun Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 11 minutes ago, Two-Gun Pete said: Is reactionary when you pay money to someone who hasn't faced an MLB pitch, especially after having promised the fans that there would be "no financial constraints" in pursuing a young star like Machado. We all agree that it is probably a lesser risk than most to extend Eloy, given Jimenez's MiLB record, but it is a risk nonetheless. 0 fWAR/= 30.3 fWAR You want to bet over which contract is the better investment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 13 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: $43 million/= $300 million. I’d rather have one Machado and one starting pitcher signing than all the trades acquisitions and signings that Hahn made this offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 55 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: QFT. Completely with you here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: You want to bet over which contract is the better investment? No. But, if you don't like the front office to be criticized, there's always WSI if you want polyanna-ish white sox commentary. IMHO, there is room for the "In Kenny We Trust" types, inasmuch as there is room for those who want to give this org the beating they so richly deserve in this part of the interwebs. YMMV. Edited March 26, 2019 by Two-Gun Pete 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Just now, Two-Gun Pete said: No. But, if you don't like the front office to be criticized, there's always WSI if you want polyanna-ish white sox commentary. IMHO, there is room for the "In Kenny We Trust" types, inasmuch as there is room for those who want to give this org the beating they so richly deserve. YMMV. The front office has been nothing short of garbage in Hahn's tenure. I wouldn't argue with anybody about that. That doesn't mean that I think they should have signed Machado. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 15 minutes ago, Two-Gun Pete said: Is reactionary when you pay money to someone who hasn't faced an MLB pitch, especially after having promised the fans that there would be "no financial constraints" in pursuing a young star like Machado. We all agree that it is probably a lesser risk than most to extend Eloy, given Jimenez's MiLB record, but it is a risk nonetheless. For Hahn to state, "The money will be spent" after the Machado blunder, then giving a contract extension to Jimenez seems to be reactionary, IMO. 0 fWAR/= 30.3 fWAR By your logic we should never call up a rookie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Just now, southsider2k5 said: By your logic we should never call up a rookie. No, Hahn should never state, "there will be no financial constraints," when there WERE CLEARLY financial constraints in pursuing a stud, THEN take a financial risk on an unproven player. In other words, a $43MM contract extension to a player with 0 PAs after screwing the pooch on Machado =/= "calling up a rookie." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two-Gun Pete Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: The front office has been nothing short of garbage in Hahn's tenure. I wouldn't argue with anybody about that. So we're generally in agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Maybe they just don't think Machado is a franchise player. I certainly don't. Maybe they only have the budget for a single super contract and they didn't want to blow it on him. IDK. Machado's damn good, but people are really overrating him. Maybe they like a future IF of Yoan, Anderson and Madrigal for really cheap more than an IF of Machado, Anderson and Yoan for a shitload of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, Two-Gun Pete said: No, Hahn should never state, "there will be no financial constraints," when there WERE CLEARLY financial constraints in pursuing a stud, THEN take a financial risk on an unproven player. In other words, a $43MM contract extension to a player with 0 PAs after screwing the pooch on Machado =/= "calling up a rookie." You are the one making an awful equivalency between Machado and Jimenez and actually citing product for a player yet to make his debut as a qualifier. This is a complete failure of a comparison. Especially since we know extension talks have gone on since November. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarava Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 10 hours ago, Two-Gun Pete said: No, Hahn should never state, "there will be no financial constraints," when there WERE CLEARLY financial constraints in pursuing a stud, THEN take a financial risk on an unproven player. In other words, a $43MM contract extension to a player with 0 PAs after screwing the pooch on Machado =/= "calling up a rookie." I don't get not liking the Jimenez deal. Even if he ends up being terrible, in big league dollar terms, it's a small loss. If he ends up being good, it's a great deal and buys the extra year. Now Machado - that's a different story. I'll be disappointed if Sox fans let JR, Hahn and KW off the hook on this one. That's what they want - for us all to forget it and move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 10 hours ago, TaylorStSox said: Maybe they just don't think Machado is a franchise player. I certainly don't. Maybe they only have the budget for a single super contract and they didn't want to blow it on him. IDK. Machado's damn good, but people are really overrating him. Maybe they like a future IF of Yoan, Anderson and Madrigal for really cheap more than an IF of Machado, Anderson and Yoan for a shitload of money. If you're not going to give it to a 26-year old stud who fits your roster perfectly, then who will you give a big contract too? With inflation, the $25 mill in each of the last 2 years of the deal wouldn't have been bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, soxfan2014 said: If you're not going to give it to a 26-year old stud who fits your roster perfectly, then who will you give a big contract too? With inflation, the $25 mill in each of the last 2 years of the deal wouldn't have been bad. He's not good defensively. Hes a future fat guy. Hes a very good hitter, but not exceptional. I'd love to have him, but he's not a franchise player imo. I wouldn't be surprised if he was the 3rd or 4th best player on the Sox in 3 years. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 7 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: He's not good defensively. Hes a future fat guy. Hes a very good hitter, but not exceptional. I'd love to have him, but he's not a franchise player imo. I wouldn't be surprised if he was the 3rd or 4th best player on the Sox in 3 years. 😂😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: He's not good defensively. Hes a future fat guy. Hes a very good hitter, but not exceptional. I'd love to have him, but he's not a franchise player imo. I wouldn't be surprised if he was the 3rd or 4th best player on the Sox in 3 years. Lol what? Manny Machado isn’t good defensively??! And you claim a currently very skinny and in shape guy is going to be fat because....he doesn’t hustle to 1b? What are you talking about? Edited March 26, 2019 by ChiSox59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 minute ago, ChiSox59 said: Lol what? Manny Machado isn’t good defensively??! And you claim a currently very skinny and in shape guy is going to be fat because....he doesn’t hustle to 1b? What are you talking about? I assumed he was talking about Bryce based on the description. Still a hot and bad take either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 14 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: He's not good defensively. Hes a future fat guy. Hes a very good hitter, but not exceptional. I'd love to have him, but he's not a franchise player imo. I wouldn't be surprised if he was the 3rd or 4th best player on the Sox in 3 years. Stopped reading at "he's not good defensively." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, ron883 said: I assumed he was talking about Bryce based on the description. Still a hot and bad take either way. He responded to my comment responding to his comment about Machado so he's talking about Machado. The 2, $25 mill/year I reference is the difference in the contracts of guaranteed money between Sox and Padres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: Stopped reading at "he's not good defensively." From what I've seen, hes already losing range as he fills out. He won't be at SS for much longer. Hes better at 3rd, but I'd much rather have Moncada at 3rd for the next 7 years. Edited March 26, 2019 by TaylorStSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Just now, TaylorStSox said: From what I've seen, hes already losing range as he fills out. He won't be at SS for much longer. Hes better at 3rd, but I'd much rather have Moncada at 3rd for the 7 years. He’s a 3B. He played SS for a small amount of time basically to prove he could for FA. He’s a very ELITE defensive 3B, which is where he would have played for the Sox. Pay more attention. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: From what I've seen, hes already losing range as he fills out. He won't be at SS for much longer. Hes better at 3rd, but I'd much rather have Moncada at 3rd for the next 7 years. Do you even realize he's not playing SS? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: He’s a 3B. He played SS for a small amount of time basically to prove he could for FA. He’s a very ELITE defensive 3B, which is where he would have played for the Sox. Pay more attention. The guy who played 140+ games at SS in 2018 isn't a SS? Makes sense. Moving forward, I'd still rather have Moncada at 3rd anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Machado is a future fat guy? The guy is on amazing shape. Are we being serious here? 😂 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 minute ago, TaylorStSox said: The guy who played 140+ games at SS in 2018 isn't a SS? Makes sense. Moving forward, I'd still rather have Moncada at 3rd anyway. Hes not playing SS. He just wanted to last year and the O's let him since they had nothing to lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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