Dick Allen Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) 47 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: That was a nice duece from Gio. Unfortunately the vast majority of nice Gio dueces come right after his morning coffee. Edited March 20, 2019 by Dick Allen 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said: I think Mendick makes Yolmer and Rondon expendable later in the year. He seems like a guy who will have a solid bench role in the Sox future. I hope you're right....and that if they end up expending Yolmer they finally get something, at least some ceiling, for one of these guys. Dopico looked good. Relief pitchers can come from anywhere. Edited March 20, 2019 by GreenSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Just to refresh my memory... Alex Avila did suck in a White Sox uniform, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Giolito really doesn’t deserve to be in the majors. He can’t pitch from the stretch, which is alarming considering how many walks he allows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Was Giolito as bad as the box score would seem to indicate? Usual issues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 1 hour ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said: I'm not saying he'll make the team out of ST. He shouldn't. But he's been impressive this spring. He could be a guy that allows the Sox to move on from Rondon or Yolmer. I don't think he's every going to be starter material. I view him as a solid future infielder off the bench. Wish there could be roster room for Mendick Rondon and Yolmer but those days are gone. Some teams would prefer to have a new pitcher for every batter past the fifth inning. I guess teams cannot afford a few extra bench players. Tough times are why I don't worry about owners v players. They can figure it out when we hear that Trout's deal was a bargain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Was Giolito as bad as the box score would seem to indicate? Usual issues? Hitters were taking might swings against him. The homers were bombs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vilehoopster Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 I was a huge Giolito fan last year. The strong Sept. in 2017, a great spring in 2018. And even with his struggles early in last year, I believed in him. Then he had the really good late July and August. But wow, he has fallen off a cliff. September was TERRIBLE. This spring he is TERRIBLE. Remind me if I'm wrong, but he has not gotten through his first two inning of any pitching appearance of this spring without giving up, at least, three runs. Isn't that correct?? I know it's spring ball, but really, zero appearnces where he hasn't given up at least three runs in his first two innings pitched? Wow, that is bad! If Banuelos is looking solid in AAA, we cannot waste a year on Giolito in 2019. If he is close to as bad as last year by July, we need to make room for Banuelos. Now, if no one is looking good enough to bring up by then, I guess we keep putting Giolito out there, and hope for improvement. But I am really starting to believe that you can't fix head case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 I hope Giolito has options left..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 I think Gio will be reassigned by mid-season if he continues to perform like the worst starter in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Gio reminds me of Jon Garland and Gavin Floyd.. both major head cases with good arms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Just now, EvilJester99 said: Gio reminds me of Jon Garland and Gavin Floyd.. both major head cases with good arms. Once again, these comps are awful. Floyd and Garland were light years better than Giolito. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 14 minutes ago, vilehoopster said: I was a huge Giolito fan last year. The strong Sept. in 2017, a great spring in 2018. And even with his struggles early in last year, I believed in him. Then he had the really good late July and August. But wow, he has fallen off a cliff. September was TERRIBLE. This spring he is TERRIBLE. Remind me if I'm wrong, but he has not gotten through his first two inning of any pitching appearance of this spring without giving up, at least, three runs. Isn't that correct?? I know it's spring ball, but really, zero appearnces where he hasn't given up at least three runs in his first two innings pitched? Wow, that is bad! If Banuelos is looking solid in AAA, we cannot waste a year on Giolito in 2019. If he is close to as bad as last year by July, we need to make room for Banuelos. Now, if no one is looking good enough to bring up by then, I guess we keep putting Giolito out there, and hope for improvement. But I am really starting to believe that you can't fix head case. If we were living in 2011-12, Banuelos would be a great choice...but fine, nothing’s worse than an actually likeable HarvardWestlake kid who can’t get out of his own head. He’s the pitching version of Beckham/Quentin overthinking things. Paulie’s the only one to wrestle with himself like that psychologically and emerge whole at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Once again, these comps are awful. Floyd and Garland were light years better than Giolito. Unless you look at Floyd’s numbers in Philly and his draft position. Garland, would agree...no similarity. Heck, Danny Wright might be closer as a comp. or Rauch. Edited March 20, 2019 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Yeah, Rauch is who I was thinking of. Tall guy, inconsistent mechanics, former top prospect as a starter. Rauch was able to become a decent reliever, but I think that ship has sailed for Lucas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 5 hours ago, Insp said: The Sox now have the worst record in Spring Training owing to Hahn's failure to even consider free agent acquisitions outside of a half-hearted pursuit of Machado. If the team is to turn things around and then bring that momentum into the regular season, it needs to start now. Boston ain’t to good either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, daggins said: Yeah, Rauch is who I was thinking of. Tall guy, inconsistent mechanics, former top prospect as a starter. Rauch was able to become a decent reliever, but I think that ship has sailed for Lucas. He didn’t win 25 games in his first season so he must be a bust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, elrockinMT said: He didn’t win 25 games in his first season so he must be a bust He'll be 25 this year and he was the one of, if not the, worst qualified starters in baseball last year. Edited March 21, 2019 by daggins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 47 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Once again, these comps are awful. Floyd and Garland were light years better than Giolito. Fact. Gio did have a dynamite arm, back with the nats. His stuff is mediocre now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 (edited) Giolito is starting to remind me of Felipe Paulino. Looks the part stuff wise, until you see how hitters just tee off on the guy. By any normal metric he should be an excellent pitcher(velocity, breaking ball movement) even without great command. He just doesn't fool hitters. Edited March 21, 2019 by Jack Parkman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insp Posted March 21, 2019 Author Share Posted March 21, 2019 Great job of pitching this game, especially from Giolito. No wonder we don't need Dallas Keuchel. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Insp said: Great job of pitching this game, especially from Giolito. No wonder we don't need Dallas Keuchel. Keuchel would be every bit as bad as Giolito, if not worse. Hard pass. I'd give the starts to Giolito 7 days a week and twice on Sunday. Keuchel sucks. He has all of the same red flags that Shields did before he went off the deep end. I'd be shocked if Keuchel signed more than a 1 year contract. If the Sox signed Keuchel to a 4/60 tomorrow by August you'd be b****ing about how stupid they are for signing Keuchel when his ERA is north of 6 and his pitches are flying out of GRF. Starting Giolito accomplishes MUCH more for the Sox than wasting money on Keuchel, even if all Giolito does is prove he can't pitch at the MLB level. At least they wouldn't waste anymore time on him. Adding Keuchel accomplishes nothing, and is actually counterproductive to what the Sox are doing. I couldn't give two shits about veterans contributing to wins in 2019. If they win, it better be because of Moncada/Eloy/Anderson and Rodon/Lopez/Giolito. If they win games because of Abreu/Alonso/Jay they better be shipped out PDQ, because that is also counterproductive. Edited March 21, 2019 by Jack Parkman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 34 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Keuchel would be every bit as bad as Giolito, if not worse. Hard pass. I'd give the starts to Giolito 7 days a week and twice on Sunday. Keuchel sucks. He has all of the same red flags that Shields did before he went off the deep end. I'd be shocked if Keuchel signed more than a 1 year contract. If the Sox signed Keuchel to a 4/60 tomorrow by August you'd be b****ing about how stupid they are for signing Keuchel when his ERA is north of 6 and his pitches are flying out of GRF. Starting Giolito accomplishes MUCH more for the Sox than wasting money on Keuchel, even if all Giolito does is prove he can't pitch at the MLB level. At least they wouldn't waste anymore time on him. Adding Keuchel accomplishes nothing, and is actually counterproductive to what the Sox are doing. I couldn't give two shits about veterans contributing to wins in 2019. If they win, it better be because of Moncada/Eloy/Anderson and Rodon/Lopez/Giolito. If they win games because of Abreu/Alonso/Jay they better be shipped out PDQ, because that is also counterproductive. That's TOO much of a hot take. Pitchers pitch. Buehrle, Quintana, even Shields last year. So, no, he wouldn't be the worst qualified starting pitcher in baseball, not by a long-shot. Worth $12-15 million per year, or even $18, no way, at least not to the White Sox... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: That's TOO much of a hot take. Pitchers pitch. Buehrle, Quintana, even Shields last year. So, no, he wouldn't be the worst qualified starting pitcher in baseball, not by a long-shot. Worth $12-15 million per year, or even $18, no way, at least not to the White Sox... I disagree, and apparently it seems GMs are more in line with my thinking. I wouldn't be surprised if he is given anything but a minor league contract this year, if anything at all. He may have thrown his last pitch in MLB. Not to mention the dude is always injured. Edited March 21, 2019 by Jack Parkman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 LG talks a good game. He may be heading into bust territory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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