Fernando Tatis Jr. thread

[ptatc]

On 7/31/2021 at 1:53 AM, ron883 said:

That sounds awful. Props to him for sticking it out and dealing with all the pain. Putting off surgery and constantly dislocating it seems like something that could have long-term implications... Am I talking out of my ass @ptatc?

The long term damage would be if the rotator cuff muscles become damaged as well. They are taking a chance of this every time it dislocates. The looser the shoulder gets the more stress on the tendons. The surgery for the dislocation is easy and straightforward.  If the cuff becomes involved it may not be.

Since it's the left shoulder the impact is decreased but it could change his swing.

[caulfield12]

On 8/2/2021 at 12:43 PM, ptatc said:

The long term damage would be if the rotator cuff muscles become damaged as well. They are taking a chance of this every time it dislocates. The looser the shoulder gets the more stress on the tendons. The surgery for the dislocation is easy and straightforward.  If the cuff becomes involved it may not be.

Since it's the left shoulder the impact is decreased but it could change his swing.

 

[caulfield12]

A lot of fantasy owners are going to be either pissed or elated with the late Sunday swing on the offensive side.

The crazy thing is not playing the outfield but homering every single game he’s come back from an injury this season.

And 25/28 less games played than Ohtani (39) and Guerrero, Jr. (35) in homers but trailing by only 6 and 2 respectively…and still leading NL with roughly 1/4th of the season missed so far.  Tied 3rd in majors in steals with 23.

And his defense has normalized at SS all the way to slightly above average, which is better than Cronenworth there.

 

https://www.mlb.com/video/tatis-jr-s-outstanding-game

Edited August 16, 2021 by caulfield12

[Bob Sacamano]

13 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

A lot of fantasy owners are going to be either pissed or elated with the late Sunday swing on the offensive side.

The crazy thing is not playing the outfield but homering every single game he’s come back from an injury this season.

And 25/28 less games played than Ohtani (39) and Guerrero, Jr. (35) in homers but trailing by only 6 and 2 respectively…and still leading NL with roughly 1/4th of the season missed so far.  Tied 3rd in majors in steals with 23.

And his defense has normalized at SS all the way to slightly above average, which is better than Cronenworth there.

 

https://www.mlb.com/video/tatis-jr-s-outstanding-game

He’ll still have SS eligibility this year and next.

[fathom]

The Padres collapse is incredible. Yu getting bombed already. I know I’ve mentioned this but their body language is so bad. 

[Quin]

17 hours ago, fathom said:

The Padres collapse is incredible. Yu getting bombed already. I know I’ve mentioned this but their body language is so bad. 

15-25 since they acquired Frazier.

[Buehrle>Wood]

Padres continue an amazing collapse. 

Up 2-0, Machado decides to pick a fight with Tavis in the dugout. They go on to lose 3-2.

[Kyyle23]

Something ironic about Machado yelling "it's not about you!" to Tatis 

[NWINFan]

11 hours ago, Buehrle>Wood said:

Padres continue an amazing collapse. 

Up 2-0, Machado decides to pick a fight with Tavis in the dugout. They go on to lose 3-2.

Demonstrates that the pressure is getting to them. Great expectations, little on the performance. Shows that you have to do more than spend money to put together a winning team. 

[oldsox]

Two Alpha males.

[South Side Hit Men]

5 hours ago, Kyyle23 said:

Something ironic about Machado yelling "it's not about you!" to Tatis 

I’ll take Yoan and Tim, thank you very much.

[fathom]

3 hours ago, NWINFan said:

Demonstrates that the pressure is getting to them. Great expectations, little on the performance. Shows that you have to do more than spend money to put together a winning team. 

I’ve been saying for a while now it’s disgraceful how bad Tatis’ body language has been the last few months. I don’t blame Manny for calling him out.

[Quin]

24 minutes ago, fathom said:

I’ve been saying for a while now it’s disgraceful how bad Tatis’ body language has been the last few months. I don’t blame Manny for calling him out.

He's probably gonna be pissed off that he delayed shoulder surgery if they don't make the playoffs.

[Buehrle>Wood]

Padres about to lose, again. Unreal. Also, hoe is this not Sunday Night game?

Edited September 19, 2021 by Buehrle>Wood

[Kyyle23]

Swept by the cards 

 

[caulfield12]

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/padres/story/2021-09-19/padres-jayce-tingler-aj-preller-manny-machado-fernando-tatis-manager
 

Not surprised about the error with the sun, team falling apart and never having played CF before…was always in RF. I guess it’s supposed to be a lesson about playing where the team needs you with Grisham falling apart.

All that said, Preller is going to have to fire Tingler (could even be if they slip below .500) and if he doesn’t replace him with Bochy, Francona, or someone who will be more respected in the clubhouse than Andy Green or Tingler, he will be the next one shown the door.

Adding Frazier unnecessarily (and he hasn’t been much better than Cesar Hernandez), losing Scherzer to LA, threatening to trade Hosmer (but not succeeding) but most especially not adding more starting pitching was the beginning of the end.

While they have a hellacious schedule this month, that’s not the main reason for being 14 games under .500 since August 10th.

[caulfield12]

And I will say this, despite being a flawed team chemistry-wise, they still won 7 out of 8 in the first half against the Dodgers.

They’re playing in the same division with two teams that will end up with 100+ wins, and played the majority of their games down the stretch against pennant contenders.  Of course, problems began much earlier against teams like the Rockies and DBacks.

All of those are excuses, along with 28 other teams being in the same boat at year’s end, and the bottom line is that this season has been a massive disappointment…even making it like the 2008 Sox did, they were unlikely to go far with Darvish fading and a hanging on by a thread bullpen.

 

Hopefully, the White Sox season doesn’t end that way…you are only okay with losing if the best team beats you, instead of giving it to them like we used to do nearly every year against the Twins.

Edited September 20, 2021 by caulfield12

[fathom]

4 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/padres/story/2021-09-19/padres-jayce-tingler-aj-preller-manny-machado-fernando-tatis-manager
 

Not surprised about the error with the sun, team falling apart and never having played CF before…was always in RF. 

Most ten year olds catch that ball. The sun didn’t cause him to drop that.

[oldsox]

OK, Tatis dropped the ball for an error, but he has all the ingredients to be a great CF.

[Quin]

42 minutes ago, oldsox said:

OK, Tatis dropped the ball for an error, but he has all the ingredients to be a great CF.

He has all the ingredients to be a great SS, but he makes a lot of avoidable errors there as well. 

If he was still here—which, obviously, I wish he was—we'd be ripping him for his defense and demand he move to second or DH (look at Eloy). We'd also hate his body language right now and call him spoiled (look at Moncada). We would still absolutely love him, but god, you would not be calling him "Alpha Male" for getting so upset about calls that he gets in arguments with teammates and Caulfield would have an entire thread dedicated to Manny Machado or Bryce Harper.

[southsider2k5]

I hate to say it, but for some, this is why they make players in general slog through the minors for years.  Even if they have ready made tools, there is something to be said for maturing and learning how to fail well in the minors, and getting it out of your system before the games matter.

[caulfield12]

27 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

I hate to say it, but for some, this is why they make players in general slog through the minors for years.  Even if they have ready made tools, there is something to be said for maturing and learning how to fail well in the minors, and getting it out of your system before the games matter.

We are still talking about a 22 year old who finished 4th in the MVP voting last year and will still likely finish 2nd or 3rd this year, assuming they give it to Harper now.

Any player at that age is going to struggle when the team goes 10-24 during the key stretch of the season.

Other than Griffey Jr. and Mike Trout, it's rare to see someone at that age smoothly transition into stardom.  Machado himself has had a career filled with issues into his late 20s before he suddenly morphed into an elder statesman like Pudge Fisk.

(Sports writers get more clicks documenting falls from grace and then historic comebacks...see Tiger Woods and MJ, for example.)

Let's see how Tatis handles playing for a legit manager who doesn't coddle him and let him get away with everything as long as the team's playing well.

 

Let's also not forget that KW, Ventura, Eaton and the LaRoches also bear part of the blame for Chris Sale's maturity issues, for example. There's two sides to every story. Just three short days ago, Tatis was still great for the sport, at least until the storyline quickly changed.

[southsider2k5]

6 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

We are still talking about a 22 year old who finished 4th in the MVP voting last year and will still likely finish 2nd or 3rd this year, assuming they give it to Harper now.

Any player at that age is going to struggle when the team goes 10-24 during the key stretch of the season.

Other than Griffey Jr. and Mike Trout, it's rare to see someone at that age smoothly transition into stardom.  Machado himself has had a career filled with issues into his late 20s before he suddenly morphed into an elder statesman like Pudge Fisk.

(Sports writers get more clicks documenting falls from grace and then historic comebacks...see Tiger Woods and MJ, for example.)

Let's see how Tatis handles playing for a legit manager who doesn't coddle him and let him get away with everything as long as the team's playing well.

 

Let's also not forget that KW, Ventura, Eaton and the LaRoches also bear part of the blame for Chris Sale's maturity issues, for example. There's two sides to every story. Just three short days ago, Tatis was still great for the sport, at least until the storyline quickly changed.

His flaws have always been there.  Now whether people want to see them or not is a different story.  But sure, make it about Chris Sale, Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan, and everyone else.

[Kyyle23]

Damn caulfield how much are you getting paid for this Tatis pub

[Quin]

17 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

We are still talking about a 22 year old who finished 4th in the MVP voting last year and will still likely finish 2nd or 3rd this year, assuming they give it to Harper now.

Any player at that age is going to struggle when the team goes 10-24 during the key stretch of the season.

Other than Griffey Jr. and Mike Trout, it's rare to see someone at that age smoothly transition into stardom.  Machado himself has had a career filled with issues into his late 20s before he suddenly morphed into an elder statesman like Pudge Fisk.

(Sports writers get more clicks documenting falls from grace and then historic comebacks...see Tiger Woods and MJ, for example.)

Let's see how Tatis handles playing for a legit manager who doesn't coddle him and let him get away with everything as long as the team's playing well.

 

Let's also not forget that KW, Ventura, Eaton and the LaRoches also bear part of the blame for Chris Sale's maturity issues, for example. There's two sides to every story. Just three short days ago, Tatis was still great for the sport, at least until the storyline quickly changed.

Sucks that he's one of the anointed faces of baseball. Stardom comes with scrutiny.