flavum Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 Delmonico sent down if you need it to be official 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 Fry warmed up 3 times before he came in including once really hard in the 4th or 5th inning. He being BP an hour later is on Ricky and Coop. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, flavum said: Delmonico sent down if you need it to be official Disappointed but not surprised that that's the only move. I was starting to buy into the idea that Mendick was out today because he too was getting the call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba phillips Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 And thus ends the easy portion of our program. In the first 45 games of the season, the Sox played the 4 worst hitting teams a total of 26 times, going 14-12. The last 13 games were exclusively against those teams. While the record of 21-24 thus far is a lot better than expected by most of us here, it was against the weakest of competition. Let's see what we do now that we play some teams that can hit the baseball a little bit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 Just now, bubba phillips said: Let's see what we do now that we play some teams that can hit the baseball a little bit. It may be best to cover your eyes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWINFan Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 26 minutes ago, SouthWallace said: Castillo needs to follow Yonder right out the door and off the roster. Why Castillo was anywhere near the batter's box in the ninth inning is beyond me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
default Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 12 minutes ago, The Sir said: Why? People think with near certainty that Nick Madrigal is going to fail. He barely has a track record to go on. Yoan has over 1000 PAs with us. It's not yet enough to make some mathematical predictions on what he can and cannot do? Please. If Yoan cuts his K-rate to 25% (which he hasn't done yet) and has an HR rate of .042 (he's at .048 so far this year, but didn't reach even close to this in 2017 or 2018), and maintains his BABIP, he will hit .280 with an .855 OPS. Good player, but not at this magical .870 level you're all so obsessed with. If he keeps this high HR rate but strikes out a bit more (27%), and maintains all else, he will hit .277 with an .869 OPS. Sorry, but I don't think he maintains this HR rate over a full season, and his performance in May supports me (Ks are back up over 33%, and HR rate is down to .042). Your argument here seems to be "some people here think Madrigal is going to be bad but the sample size doesn't support drawing an accurate conclusion. BUT, because people do this, I can use it to justify a sample size of 1000 PA for Moncada to predict his entire career with absolute certainty." The fact is, the sample size is not nearly large enough to support any statistical predictions. And on top it of all, you make toss in your personal "I don't think" predictions based on whatever you feel supports your narrative. Go away. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 14 minutes ago, The Sir said: Yolmer is a huge reason I'm pessimistic about everything this organization does. Six years, and 2000 PAs, to the tune of a .659 OPS, and he still hasn't been DFAed and there are legions of White Sox fans who insist that he's useful. I'm old enough to remember when a useful bench player was someone like Lyle Mouton, who had a .767 OPS over three seasons, but we let him go play in Japan for some silly reason. Lyle Mouton was a one dimensional corner outfielder and Yolmer Sanchez is a versatile, strong defensive infielder. Why in the world are you comparing the OPS’s of these two and drawing any relevant conclusions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GermanSoxFan Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said: Lyle Mouton was a one dimensional corner outfielder and Yolmer Sanchez is a versatile, strong defensive infielder. Why in the world are you comparing the OPS’s of these two and drawing any relevant conclusions? Caulfield alt account? 🤔 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 I understand why Alonso is playing every day. ($9 million dollar contract) I simply can't understand why McCann isn't playing every day. Its almost as if the team is losing on purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GermanSoxFan Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 16 minutes ago, bubba phillips said: And thus ends the easy portion of our program. In the first 45 games of the season, the Sox played the 4 worst hitting teams a total of 26 times, going 14-12. The last 13 games were exclusively against those teams. While the record of 21-24 thus far is a lot better than expected by most of us here, it was against the weakest of competition. Let's see what we do now that we play some teams that can hit the baseball a little bit. The Twins offensive numbers will come down crashing hard their lineup isn‘t that great.. Let‘s hope it‘s soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sir Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, default said: Your argument here seems to be "some people here think Madrigal is going to be bad but the sample size doesn't support drawing an accurate conclusion. BUT, because people do this, I can use it to justify a sample size of 1000 PA for Moncada to predict his entire career with absolute certainty." The fact is, the sample size is not nearly large enough to support any statistical predictions. And on top it of all, you make toss in your personal "I don't think" predictions based on whatever you feel supports your narrative. Go away. Dude, if you want to be so technical about this, I can't predict anything. Is that what you're upset about? Sorry if my phrasing sounded like an ironclad prediction. It's not supposed to be. People say things on this board all the time that are phrased like predictions, but cannot possibly be. How does Soxfan2018 know that Madrigal will probably hit 10 home runs in a season but Konerkofan2005 knows he won't even play in MLB? They're guesses. My guess is that Moncada doesn't hit .300 or have an OPS of .870 over the course of a full season, ever. Is that absolute? No, I'm not God. It's just what I think, and to defend myself, I did do some math (based on the only known quantities we have on the guy) to support my position. If it means that much to you, I'll caveat my message board opinions with "I think" so that you can understand my intent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sir Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 15 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Lyle Mouton was a one dimensional corner outfielder and Yolmer Sanchez is a versatile, strong defensive infielder. Why in the world are you comparing the OPS’s of these two and drawing any relevant conclusions? Hmm, because I've been a White Sox fan for twenty-five years, and would like to see them actually be good, rather than employing junky players that don't help us win ballgames? Seriously, why do we accept this? A competent FO would work towards replacing these sorts of players, but we get Engel and Sanchez and Delmonico and a shitty 1B/DH type year after year after year. Everyone acts like I'm an asshole, which I don't really care about, but my desire is that our team doesn't suck. My random joke about a guy I rooted for when I was a kid aside, players like Yolmer, whatever their limited talents, contribute to this team sucking consistently. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 1 minute ago, The Sir said: Hmm, because I've been a White Sox fan for twenty-five years, and would like to see them actually be good, rather than employing junky players that don't help us win ballgames? Seriously, why do we accept this? A competent FO would work towards replacing these sorts of players, but we get Engel and Sanchez and Delmonico and a shitty 1B/DH type year after year after year. Everyone acts like I'm an asshole, which I don't really care about, but my desire is that our team doesn't suck. My random joke about a guy I rooted for when I was a kid aside, players like Yolmer, whatever their limited talents, contribute to this team sucking consistently. I don’t care if you’re an asshole or dislike like Yolmer, I just don’t get why in the fuck you’re comparing him to Lyle Mouton who was a dreadful corner OF. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zisk Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 In 3-4 weeks this roster will change quite a bit. The tough part is waiting. Collins is back from concussion protocol. Cease is coming ready or not. Eloy will be back tomorrow and(dare I say it?) Palka and Mendick are coming. Just waiting for Alonso and Castillo to be DFA'd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 Honestly I would rather move Alonso. DH Eloy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
default Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 47 minutes ago, The Sir said: Dude, if you want to be so technical about this, I can't predict anything. Is that what you're upset about? Sorry if my phrasing sounded like an ironclad prediction. It's not supposed to be. People say things on this board all the time that are phrased like predictions, but cannot possibly be. How does Soxfan2018 know that Madrigal will probably hit 10 home runs in a season but Konerkofan2005 knows he won't even play in MLB? They're guesses. My guess is that Moncada doesn't hit .300 or have an OPS of .870 over the course of a full season, ever. Is that absolute? No, I'm not God. It's just what I think, and to defend myself, I did do some math (based on the only known quantities we have on the guy) to support my position. If it means that much to you, I'll caveat my message board opinions with "I think" so that you can understand my intent. Do you even read the horseshit you post? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted May 19, 2019 Author Share Posted May 19, 2019 47 minutes ago, The Sir said: Dude, if you want to be so technical about this, I can't predict anything. Is that what you're upset about? Sorry if my phrasing sounded like an ironclad prediction. It's not supposed to be. People say things on this board all the time that are phrased like predictions, but cannot possibly be. How does Soxfan2018 know that Madrigal will probably hit 10 home runs in a season but Konerkofan2005 knows he won't even play in MLB? They're guesses. My guess is that Moncada doesn't hit .300 or have an OPS of .870 over the course of a full season, ever. Is that absolute? No, I'm not God. It's just what I think, and to defend myself, I did do some math (based on the only known quantities we have on the guy) to support my position. If it means that much to you, I'll caveat my message board opinions with "I think" so that you can understand my intent. It's the way your posts come off. It's one thing to "think" Moncada won't hit .300 (which btw my point was none of us give a shit, or at least I don't, if he hits .300 *ever* as long as he's playing good D, predominantly hitting xbh's and stealing some bags) or have an OPS of .870+ consistently. It's another to defend it all the while being an asshole about it and doing so with strange, borderline useless numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sir Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, soxfan49 said: It's the way your posts come off. It's one thing to "think" Moncada won't hit .300 (which btw my point was none of us give a shit, or at least I don't, if he hits .300 *ever* as long as he's playing good D, predominantly hitting xbh's and stealing some bags) or have an OPS of .870+ consistently. It's another to defend it all the while being an asshole about it and doing so with strange, borderline useless numbers. Strange, borderline useless numbers like the rates for everything he's done in his career thus far? C'mon man, I was almost with you until that line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
default Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 10 minutes ago, The Sir said: Strange, borderline useless numbers like the rates for everything he's done in his career thus far? C'mon man, I was almost with you until that line. They're useless because the sample size isn't large enough. How can you not comprehend this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sir Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 11 minutes ago, default said: They're useless because the sample size isn't large enough. How can you not comprehend this? It's 1000 PAs! What is it going to take to be enough for you? People will be on here talking about how K-rate is one of the quickest stats to "normalize" but somehow Moncada still doesn't have a big enough sample? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted May 19, 2019 Author Share Posted May 19, 2019 8 minutes ago, The Sir said: It's 1000 PAs! What is it going to take to be enough for you? People will be on here talking about how K-rate is one of the quickest stats to "normalize" but somehow Moncada still doesn't have a big enough sample? 33 minutes ago, The Sir said: Strange, borderline useless numbers like the rates for everything he's done in his career thus far? C'mon man, I was almost with you until that line. Yeah, because 1) everyone knew he was going to struggle because of how raw he was despite being talented as hell and 2) everyone knew he was promoted too early. As far as I'm concerned this Moncada and better is the one we'll see moving forward, but if you want to include his first 300 PA's in how you think he'll be as, say a 27 year old, go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
default Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 13 minutes ago, The Sir said: It's 1000 PAs! What is it going to take to be enough for you? People will be on here talking about how K-rate is one of the quickest stats to "normalize" but somehow Moncada still doesn't have a big enough sample? Writing off baseballs players at age 23 is just moronic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkness99 Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: I don’t care if you’re an asshole or dislike like Yolmer, I just don’t get why in the fuck you’re comparing him to Lyle Mouton who was a dreadful corner OF. Yolmer as a "defensive" specialist is a false narrative. Unless someone has some stats to prove me wrong on that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sir Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 16 minutes ago, default said: Writing off baseballs players at age 23 is just moronic. Claiming I've written him off when I've clearly done no such thing is what's moronic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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