Greg Hibbard Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 2019 Alonso through 170 PAs - .181/.282/,329/.611 2011 Dunn through 208 PAs - .184/.331/.333/.664 WHO SAYS WE CAN'T RELIVE 2011 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Greg Hibbard said: 2019 Alonso through 170 PAs - .181/.282/,329/.611 2011 Dunn through 208 PAs - .184/.331/.333/.664 WHO SAYS WE CAN'T RELIVE 2011 And the difference: one guy is in the middle of the final year of his contract (with a vesting option) and one guy was awful in the first of a 4-year deal. One is 100000x easier to get rid of than the other. Just give it another month at the most. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 14 minutes ago, Greg Hibbard said: 2019 Alonso through 170 PAs - .181/.282/,329/.611 2011 Dunn through 208 PAs - .184/.331/.333/.664 WHO SAYS WE CAN'T RELIVE 2011 I have confidence that Alonso can get that avg up to .184 in those 38 more at bats 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 17 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: And the difference: one guy is in the middle of the final year of his contract (with a vesting option) and one guy was awful in the first of a 4-year deal. One is 100000x easier to get rid of than the other. Just give it another month at the most. Most of us thought Dunn's signing was an unfixable disaster. He actually became somewhat tolerable with time. I don't think Alonso's situation is quite that dire. I would bat him lower in the order and release him if things don't get better by ASB. Taking up space from the young guys getting AB's and having Jimenez in outfield is more troubling than his dismal performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 38 minutes ago, Greg Hibbard said: 2019 Alonso through 170 PAs - .181/.282/,329/.611 2011 Dunn through 208 PAs - .184/.331/.333/.664 Woof. Thats terribad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 At least Dunn could take a walk! Give me 2011 Adam Dunn over 2019 Alonso all day errrrday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 hour ago, soxfan2014 said: And the difference: one guy is in the middle of the final year of his contract (with a vesting option) and one guy was awful in the first of a 4-year deal. One is 100000x easier to get rid of than the other. Just give it another month at the most. I hope you're right but I'll have to see it to believe it that the Sox will eat nine million bucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: I hope you're right but I'll have to see it to believe it that the Sox will eat nine million bucks. It's much much much more likely than them paying him another 9 million bucks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: I hope you're right but I'll have to see it to believe it that the Sox will eat nine million bucks. It's like 6 at this point. It's pocket change in the grand scheme of things. The hold up is likely Hahn trying to save face in the next meeting with JR. Of course I'd imagine even at his age JR can read a slash line and ask his GM why Yonder is on the roster. Edited May 20, 2019 by chitownsportsfan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBrown54 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Greg Hibbard said: 2019 Alonso through 170 PAs - .181/.282/,329/.611 2011 Dunn through 208 PAs - .184/.331/.333/.664 WHO SAYS WE CAN'T RELIVE 2011 Sometimes I think Kenny and his staff may not be very good at evaluating talent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 I was told his advanced metrics look good and he’s been fine. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Whether or not we think he will snap out of it, there's still no good reason to bat him cleanup 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted May 20, 2019 Author Share Posted May 20, 2019 15 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said: I was told his advanced metrics look good and he’s been fine. You're gonna have a low BABIP when the defenders know you can only hit it to 1/3rd of the field 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScootsMcGoots Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 20 hours ago, Greg Hibbard said: You're gonna have a low BABIP when the defenders know you can only hit it to 1/3rd of the field Will never understand how professional baseball hitters can not hit baseballs to all parts of the field. How is your bat control so poor you can only pull the ball? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Look at Ray Ray Run Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 21 hours ago, Greg Hibbard said: You're gonna have a low BABIP when the defenders know you can only hit it to 1/3rd of the field Yeah but not that low. The shift takes about 40 points off your expected BABIP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Alonso has put up higher than a 1.1 fWAR one time in his career with a 2.4. Trading for him for any other reason than getting Machado considering he is being paid more than ever would be dumb. No surprise he brings little to no value, but this bad is a surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted May 23, 2019 Author Share Posted May 23, 2019 UPDATE 2019 Alonso through 181 PAs - .178/.287/,318/.606 2011 Dunn through 208 PAs - .184/.331/.333/.664 Will Alonso have more walks than hits in 2019? He has 24 walks and 28 hits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 9 minutes ago, Greg Hibbard said: UPDATE 2019 Alonso through 181 PAs - .178/.287/,318/.606 2011 Dunn through 208 PAs - .184/.331/.333/.664 Will Alonso have more walks than hits in 2019? He has 24 walks and 28 hits. Hopefully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 Alonso is massively unlucky. He has a good walk to K ratio, above average exit velo, good groundball rate but the hits are not coming. wOBA: .269 xWOBA: .330 (league average is .316) Babip: .195 This should improve a lot in the second half Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, dominik-keul@gmx.de said: Alonso is massively unlucky. He has a good walk to K ratio, above average exit velo, good groundball rate but the hits are not coming. wOBA: .269 xWOBA: .330 (league average is .316) Babip: .195 This should improve a lot in the second half Again....he isn't that unlucky, he is just super easy to defend. He hits the ball in the same spot 90% of the time. The shift kills him. This isn't something that is going to normalize. He'd likely be hitting like .250 if teams played him straight up, but they don't and they won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Again....he isn't that unlucky, he is just super easy to defend. He hits the ball in the same spot 90% of the time. The shift kills him. This isn't something that is going to normalize. He'd likely be hitting like .250 if teams played him straight up, but they don't and they won't. This is just wrong. Even with the shift your expected BABIP is 250-260. That means he's nearly 70 points off shift league average. Its more than one SD from the mean - that's very unlucky. So yes it absolutely should normalize. Edited May 23, 2019 by Look at Ray Ray Run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 Ftr he still sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 Just now, Look at Ray Ray Run said: This is just wrong. Even with the shift your expected BABIP is 250-260. That means he's nearly 70 points of shift league average. Its more than one SD from the mean - that's very unlucky. Do you watch the games? He hits 9 out of 10 balls between 2nd base and 1st base where there are 6 defenders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 12 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Again....he isn't that unlucky, he is just super easy to defend. He hits the ball in the same spot 90% of the time. The shift kills him. This isn't something that is going to normalize. He'd likely be hitting like .250 if teams played him straight up, but they don't and they won't. His expected batting average per Statcast is .242 and I’m assuming that doesn’t account for the shift so you’re pretty much on the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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