Look at Ray Ray Run Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 (edited) 36 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Do you watch the games? He hits 9 out of 10 balls between 2nd base and 1st base where there are 6 defenders. Literally none of this matters. He is not the first person in baseball history to be heavily pull oriented into the shift. That's why the shift exists. He also isnt 40% worse, in regards to pulling the ball, than every other pull oriented hitter who is shifted on in major league baseball. The difference between a hit and an out can be as small as a millimeter on the barrel. He actually has decent ev which makes his outcomes even more unlikely as EV correlates better to average than pull heavy sprays. He should expect your babip - even after shifting - to fall between 250-265 (250 would be low too). He's been unlucky regardless of what your eyes may tell you - it's just basic statistics. Go look at Joey Gallo. Extreme case. Every ground ball he hits is to the right side and he's a extreme fly ball hitter... his BABIPs before this year were 250. Edited May 23, 2019 by Look at Ray Ray Run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Literally none of this matters. He is not the first person in baseball history to be heavily pull oriented into the shift. That's why the shift exists. He also isnt 40% worse, in regards to pulling the ball, than every other pull oriented hitter who is shifted on in major league baseball. The difference between a hit and an out can be as small as a millimeter on the barrel. He actually has decent ev which makes his outcomes even more unlikely as EV correlates better to average than pull heavy sprays. He should expect your babip - even after shifting - to fall between 250-265 (250 would be low too). He's been unlucky regardless of what your eyes may tell you - it's just basic statistics. If you expect his BABIP to be ~.250 and he’s striking in 21% of his plate appearances, his batting average should be ~.200. He’s probably had some bad luck but not likely a ton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 He's been unlucky but even when he had a BABIP near 300 last year he still only managed a 97 wRC+. It wasn't too hopeful to think he'd work out as a 1.5 WAR DH in a rebuild year (after he failed to attract Machado, go figure...) but that hope is gone now. Just cut him and let Palka DH. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 15 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: If you expect his BABIP to be ~.250 and he’s striking in 21% of his plate appearances, his batting average should be ~.200. He’s probably had some bad luck but not likely a ton. Sure if home runs dont count and he hits none. Add 25 home runs and he's up to 250 over 500 PA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 26 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Sure if home runs dont count and he hits none. Add 25 home runs and he's up to 250 over 500 PA. He better start hitting some HR's then in a hurry because he's not going to get those AB's needed to vest that option. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 13 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Sure if home runs dont count and he hits none. Add 25 home runs and he's up to 250 over 500 PA. Maybe my math was wrong, but I was accounting for HR’s and adjusting K % based on at-bats and not plate appearances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 16 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: Maybe my math was wrong, but I was accounting for HR’s and adjusting K % based on at-bats and not plate appearances. If he only Ks in 21% of ABs, his K% is much lower than 21%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 6 hours ago, Dam8610 said: If he only Ks in 21% of ABs, his K% is much lower than 21%. What I’m saying is his K rate of 21% is higher when looked at on an at-bats basis, which I factored in to offset the impact of HRs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 On 5/20/2019 at 5:55 PM, Lip Man 1 said: I hope you're right but I'll have to see it to believe it that the Sox will eat nine million bucks. They will only be eating a % of 9 million depending on when released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 I think at this point he had a run of terrible luck and either because of it or some other reason he's become totally lost up there. The truth is likely that he saw his bad numbers early and got inside his own head instead of sticking with the plan that had him making quality contact. Now he's making his own luck and it's not good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 On 5/20/2019 at 3:36 PM, Greg Hibbard said: 2019 Alonso through 170 PAs - .181/.282/,329/.611 2011 Dunn through 208 PAs - .184/.331/.333/.664 WHO SAYS WE CAN'T RELIVE 2011 Updated since he now officially has the same number of PA's as Dunn when you posted this. 2019 Alonso through 208 PAs - .172/.279/.300/.579 2011 Dunn through 208 PAs - .184/.331/.333/.664 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GermanSoxFan Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 For comparison's sake on how awful Yonder has been: Zack Greinke's career slash line. .224/ .263/ .331/ .594 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 He’ll be right there in the clean up spot tomorrow night tho! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Alonso has been utterly horrific and every bit as bad as 2011 Dunn. However, the situation isn't NEARLY the disaster that the Dunn deal appeared to be. Alonso can be nothing but a memory in a little over a month if we want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Hard to understand why Ricky can't sit him for a day or two. His contract even makes it desirable. Lots of players get to sit and try to figure it out from a view on the bench. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmb0928 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 We can also add in the Chris Davis comparison, the guy who started out the year 0-40 or something close to that. At this point Yonder has a 1 point lead in batting average .172 to .171. He is .2 ahead of him in WAR at -.5 to -.7 Yonder has 1 more HR 6-5, and 6 more RBIs but has 25% more at bats. Yonder is historically bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScootsMcGoots Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 (edited) I for one am interested to see what happens when they bring Jay into the fold. He's gonna start, but our outfield right now is good with Tilson, Leury and Eloy. Tilson is hitting the ball very well and keeping that average around .300, so they would be foolish to sit him. Leury has been a great option for lead-off, so I doubt they move him out of the lineup, and Eloy will not be removed obviously. My guess is, he takes Cordell's spot on the team. What I would like to happen, if Jay really has to be here, is he takes over in left or center, Eloy moves to DH or learns how to play first, and Yonder sits his rich ass on the pine. Better yet, DFA him. What I think will happen is Jay takes over in center, Leury is moved to 2nd, and Yolmer gets the short stick. Leury then would primarily play second while spelling players here and there who need rest at different positions. Yonder still gets his ABs. Edited May 30, 2019 by ScooterMcGee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Batting 4th again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 16 hours ago, ChiSox59 said: He’ll be right there in the clean up spot tomorrow night tho! You are correct sir! also, UGH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 I don't understand how the FO hasn't intervened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: I don't understand how the FO hasn't intervened. Is he following orders to play him every day? Is RR is really that obtuse and obstinate? I just can't wrap my head around it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Adam Dunn also didn't have the ominous black cloud emblematic of a failed offseason plan hanging over him like Alonso does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GermanSoxFan Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Charlie Haeger's Knuckles said: Adam Dunn also didn't have the ominous black cloud emblematic of a failed offseason plan hanging over him like Alonso does. Adam Dunn WAS the failed offseason plan. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 1 hour ago, GermanSoxFan said: Adam Dunn WAS the failed offseason plan. For real. ALL IN if I remember right. This whole Alonso thing is bad but that was waaaaaay worse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 3 hours ago, SouthWallace said: Is he following orders to play him every day? Is RR is really that obtuse and obstinate? I just can't wrap my head around it. I find it hard to imagine the FO is ordering RR to play him every day in order to make them not look as bad (as they would be if he was benched or waived) because I guess the sense Renteria may just say "screw you" and quit. I don't think he'd allow himself to be put in that position because if it happened once it can happen again and again. I'm guessing to a certain extent RR is bullheaded and feels that Alonso will snap out of it. That's my best guess anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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