gusguyman Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: I like McCann, but just saying 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 On 5/26/2019 at 5:17 PM, fathom said: Goodness this board needs a reboot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 (edited) See how he finishes the session. Hell, see how he does next year too. The Sox should be concerned that he reverts back to his bad Tigers version. Edited May 29, 2019 by Moan4Yoan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 A bit off topic, but I really hope he catches Lopez tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted May 29, 2019 Author Share Posted May 29, 2019 7 hours ago, Whitesox27 said: A bit off topic, but I really hope he catches Lopez tomorrow. Weather it's McCann or Zivala it won't be Castillo. That might be enlightening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 2 hours ago, poppysox said: Weather it's McCann or Zivala it won't be Castillo. That might be enlightening. Z-A-V-A-L-A 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted May 29, 2019 Author Share Posted May 29, 2019 1 hour ago, ChiSox59 said: Z-A-V-A-L-A I don't care if it's Zavala or Zivala as long as it's not Castillo. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 29 minutes ago, poppysox said: I don't care if it's Zavala or Zivala as long as it's not Castillo. I think Zeby is going to leave you pining for an actual big league quality player in Castillo sooner rather than later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted May 29, 2019 Author Share Posted May 29, 2019 Just now, chitownsportsfan said: I think Zeby is going to leave you pining for an actual big league quality player in Castillo sooner rather than later. I think I am pining for Collins not really thinking Zavala is the answer. However, I do think a 3 catcher system may work well with the unique hitting skills of McCann/Collins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 16 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: I think Zeby is going to leave you pining for an actual big league quality player in Castillo sooner rather than later. Obviously catchers seem to struggle extra when they first come up as there's so much to take in and to do, but worth noting that at most levels in the minors, at comparable ages, Zavala outhit Castillo. AAA is the only level where Castillo outhit what Zavala has done, and it does seem like he repeated that level (maybe with some injuries in there). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: Obviously catchers seem to struggle extra when they first come up as there's so much to take in and to do, but worth noting that at most levels in the minors, at comparable ages, Zavala outhit Castillo. AAA is the only level where Castillo outhit what Zavala has done, and it does seem like he repeated that level (maybe with some injuries in there). We'll see. I have my doubts the Sox can produce any sort of competence at catcher defensively. If he can hit, and he's the backup, not a problem really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 (edited) The best reason to believe that McCann's offensive performance is not a fluke, is that he has made some very wise adjustments, which are, not surprisingly, producing good results. His taking fast balls up the middle, or the opposite way, and pulling the off speed pitches, together with his practice of choking up on the bat, with 2 strikes, are fundamentally sound approaches. Again, he is not going to hit .340, but I think he will be a productive hitter. That, coupled with his defence, make him a very appealing option, to be the catcher, going forward. Well, I guess I've said all that before, but it bears repeating, for those who insist that it's too early to believe that he is anything more than the scrub, who played for the Tigers. I want to extend him, because I want him to be the primary backstop, for this rebuild. That is, of course, unless Rutschman miraculously falls to us, in the Draft. If we wait, until he reaches free agency, at the end of next year, this front office may balk at paying him, what the market commands. It wouldn't hurt to have him be Collin's mentor, either. Collins has a lot to learn, to become a good Major League catcher. The Sox have a very young pitching staff, and will need a good, smart catcher, to help them realize their potential. Edited May 30, 2019 by Lillian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted May 29, 2019 Author Share Posted May 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Lillian said: The best reason to believe that McCann's offensive performance is not a fluke, is that he has made some very wise adjustments, which are, not surprisingly, producing good results. His taking fast balls up the middle, or the opposite way, and pulling the off speed pitches, together with his practice of choking up on the bat, with 2 strikes, are fundamentally sound approaches. Again, he is not going to hit .340, but I think he will be a productive hitter. That, coupled with his defence, make him a very appealing option, to be the catcher, going forward. Well, I guess I've said all that before, but it bears repeating, for those who insist that it's too early to believe that he is anything more than the scrub, who played for the Tigers. I want to extend him, because I want him to be the primary backstop, for this rebuild. That is, of course, unless Rutschman miraculously falls to us, in the Draft. If we wait, until he reaches free agency, at the end of next year, this front office may balk at paying him, what the market commands. It wouldn't hurt to have him be Collin's mentor, either. Collins has a lot to learn, to become a good Major League catcher. The Sox have a very young pitching staff, and will need a good, smart catcher, to help them realise their potential. McCann being the primary catcher while mentoring Collins would be great. If you carry a third catcher like Zavala either McCann or Collins could DH on a regular basis. I like that system much better than carrying a one dimensional DH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 I like McCann a lot and would definitely like to keep him around. But extending him seems unnecessary. Sox control him next year thru arb and he'll probably get like $4.5-5M. Unless he wants to sign like a 3-4 year deal at $3M AAV, I don't see the point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted May 29, 2019 Author Share Posted May 29, 2019 On 5/25/2019 at 5:36 AM, Sarava said: It's the White Sox way They're often too cheap to pay guys fair market value. But they usually are willing to sign them a little early, taking a gamble that it might turn in to a great contract for the team. RH extensions have been great for the team. Only missed on Danks. It is one area that RH does well and I would think we could all agree on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, ChiSox59 said: I like McCann a lot and would definitely like to keep him around. But extending him seems unnecessary. Sox control him next year thru arb and he'll probably get like $4.5-5M. Unless he wants to sign like a 3-4 year deal at $3M AAV, I don't see the point. Agreed and while his defense will likely still be good, his bat could very easily go in the tank back to his Detroit days next season and he could hit like Welington without the PEDs. The reward likely isn’t worth the risk. Edited May 30, 2019 by Moan4Yoan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
default Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 10 hours ago, Moan4Yoan said: Agreed and while his defense will likely still be good, his bat could very easily go in the tank back to his Detroit days next season and he could hit like Welington without the PEDs. The reward likely isn’t worth the risk. Look at that. You and Jerry aren’t so different after all! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 I've decided that despite it being unneccessary I don't really care anymore and if they extend him it's a nice move. His game calling is so nice. Even if his offense regresses you can easily get rid of the contract OR still pair him with a better catcher. Depends on price. Catchers that are working this well with the staff are worth keeping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 18 minutes ago, bmags said: I've decided that despite it being unneccessary I don't really care anymore and if they extend him it's a nice move. His game calling is so nice. Even if his offense regresses you can easily get rid of the contract OR still pair him with a better catcher. Depends on price. Catchers that are working this well with the staff are worth keeping. I respect and admire your intellectual honesty and open mindedness. Your having changed your position on the question of extending McCann is a rare instance of someone being able to critically rethink an issue, and come to a different conclusion. It would be wonderful if more people were able to keep an open mind. Good for you. In the final analysis, it would obviously come down to how much money would be involved. However, the idea is certainly worth exploring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 MLB Trade Rumors has a piece on McCann today. Surprisingly, they don't credit him with having been a good defensive catcher: https://www.mlbtraderumors.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted May 31, 2019 Author Share Posted May 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, Lillian said: MLB Trade Rumors has a piece on McCann today. Surprisingly, they don't credit him with having been a good defensive catcher: https://www.mlbtraderumors.com They would be wrong! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 10 minutes ago, Lillian said: MLB Trade Rumors has a piece on McCann today. Surprisingly, they don't credit him with having been a good defensive catcher: https://www.mlbtraderumors.com Yeah none of metrics have been all that favorably. Just a whole lot better than anyone we've seen since...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, mqr said: Yeah none of metrics have been all that favorably. Just a whole lot better than anyone we've seen since...... It's why I underrated him coming in, but what he is clearly better at is pitcher management and game calling, and I don't know how metrics would really measure that. That is definitely a soft skill, but one our younger pitchers desperately needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Just now, bmags said: It's why I underrated him coming in, but what he is clearly better at is pitcher management and game calling, and I don't know how metrics would really measure that. That is definitely a soft skill, but one our younger pitchers desperately needed. I'm still firmly in the let's let it go at least until September, there's really no rush, so may as well get as much data as possible before making a decision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Just now, mqr said: I'm still firmly in the let's let it go at least until September, there's really no rush, so may as well get as much data as possible before making a decision Yeah I don't think that's a bad plan, I think what I'm coming around to is I want him to stay regardless of his offense, so long as it is respectable for a catcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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