Bob Sacamano Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Just now, Moan4Yoan said: There are plenty of guys that should be moved for whatever you can get, even if you have to eat their full salaries: Abreu Nova Jay Castillo Yolmer Colome and Leury are the only guys in which the return should be scrutinized. But if a team doesn't want any of those guys, then it's not really a failure since there was just no interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) Just now, Dick Allen said: Obviously, Colome wouldn't have pitched last night had the Sox had an offer or two they really liked. That's a good point, actually. I kind of get the feeling he ends up staying, Edited July 31, 2019 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 7 minutes ago, Tony said: I think this is some early morning media placement. I still think Colome may stay, but I don’t think Hahn is getting the return he wants, so he leaks this out to Bob, see what happens in a few hours. 1000% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, soxfan2014 said: But if a team doesn't want any of those guys, then it's not really a failure since there was just no interest. True, but I do believe there is interest in Abreu, Nova, Colome, and Leury. The Brewers traded for Jordan Lyles so Nova is likely moveable. Edited July 31, 2019 by Moan4Yoan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said: There are plenty of guys that should be moved for whatever you can get, even if you have to eat their full salaries: Abreu Nova Jay Castillo Yolmer Colome and Leury are the only guys in which the return should be scrutinized. I honestly don't know what's going on with Abreu. But, he has a 0.5 fWAR and that is, um, really bad and idk if they should keep him around regardless. I think that if the Sox let him go, he's going to have a hard time finding a job next year, tbh. My TB return in that thread was based on what Nightengale said on the radio yesterday, and I really don't think he's worth trading either, and I'm not sure he's worth bringing back at any price. It's tough because the kids love the guy, but when a guy sucks, he sucks. If Abreu wants to come back on a 1 year deal worth like $9M or less you think about it, but I'm not going to 8 figures on him nor am I going more than 1 year. Edited July 31, 2019 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Just now, Moan4Yoan said: True, but I do believe there is interest in Abreu, Nova, Colome, and Leury. Yeah my comment was more for the pending free agents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Just now, Moan4Yoan said: True, but I do believe there is interest in Abreu, Nova, Colome, and Leury. I'm not so sure there is any interest in anyone on that list other than Colome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: I'm not so sure there is any interest in anyone on that list other than Colome. Abreu would have interest on his name and reputation alone, especially if the Sox picked up his remaining money for this year. The Rays were mentioned for Abreu. The same goes for Nova - if Jordan Lyles was traded for, Nova could be too. And Leury as a utility guy who can hit a bit, earning chump change, and under control for another season? I’m sure there is interest in him. Edited July 31, 2019 by Moan4Yoan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: I'm not so sure there is any interest in anyone on that list other than Colome. I’d be surprised if there weren’t calls on Leury. The cubs could sure use him for instance. Hes a lot harder to trade than Colome if you have any allusions of being good in 2020 though. Edited July 31, 2019 by mqr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said: Abreu would have interest on his name and reputation alone, especially if the Sox picked up his remaining money for this year. The Rays were mentioned for Abreu. The same goes for Nova - if Jordan Lyles was traded for, Nova could be too. And Leury as a utility guy who can hit a bit, earning chump change, and under control for another season? I’m sure there is interest in him. Yeah I just think it is more likely Garcia opens the year at 2B next year (with Engel or some other fill-in in CF) until Madrigal comes up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Just now, soxfan2014 said: Yeah I just think it is more likely Garcia opens the year at 2B next year (with Engel or some other fill-in in CF) until Madrigal comes up. And I’m fine with that if no one makes a good offer for Leury. But like I said, only the return for Colome and Leury should be truly evaluated. Take whatever you can get for everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 It’s fine if you keep him to contend next year, but then you better break the bank this offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 21 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Soria < Martin Allard = Medieros Funny. I’m sorry but you’re just wrong. Are we talking about the same Martin that’s never closed before and only has a grand total 116 IP in MLB? Zero track record for a dude that’s 33 years old. Even if you throw all that out and just look at the present, last year Soria was pitching just as well as Martin is this year but as the team’s primary closer, not 7th/8th inning guy (the guy has 5 career saves, Soria had 3x that at the time of the trade last season alone). Secondly, when was Kodi ever rated a top 100 MLB prospect? Lastly, Allard was recently/consistently rated a top 100 guy, was the #12 prospect in a very good Braves system earlier this month, and has more than held his own in AAA the last two years as a 21/22 year old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, fathom said: It’s fine if you keep him to contend next year, but then you better break the bank this offseason. The better break the bank regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, fathom said: It’s fine if you keep him to contend next year, but then you better break the bank this offseason. Just now, mqr said: The better break the bank regardless. Yep, whether they trade Colome or not. You could argue that a good return for one year of Colome is worth figuring out closer later for next year. Whether Colome is traded or not, no one can argue that the Sox shouldn’t spend big on starting pitching this offseason. It’s their biggest hole without a doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 38 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said: There are plenty of guys that should be moved for whatever you can get, even if you have to eat their full salaries: Abreu Nova Jay Castillo Yolmer Colome and Leury are the only guys in which the return should be scrutinized. 100% disagree on Abreu. You either get a solid piece or hold onto him. There are off the field considerations you are ignoring, such as how the broader fansbase would react to dealing our most recognizable name for nothing and potentially tertiary impacts to Moncada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 44 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: ^^^^^ not that you are saying this, but just a reminder that the sox media negotiating this last winter consistently blew up in their face Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, bmags said: not that you are saying this, but just a reminder that the sox media negotiating this last winter consistently blew up in their face Oh I absolutely agree. It seems like Kenny hasn't learned his lesson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, bmags said: not that you are saying this, but just a reminder that the sox media negotiating this last winter consistently blew up in their face Wait a minute, are you saying that telling everyone that you're offering a player $125 million below market value isn't a good strategy?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Oh I absolutely agree. It seems like Kenny hasn't learned his lesson. I mean that much was obvious immediately after Manny signed with the Padres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 10 minutes ago, bmags said: not that you are saying this, but just a reminder that the sox media negotiating this last winter consistently blew up in their face This is at least more standard and makes way more sense than whatever the plan was with the 7/175 thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, mqr said: This is at least more standard and makes way more sense than whatever the plan was with the 7/175 thing. but also unneccessary. Nobody can convince me this shit moves the needle. But now if they trade colome...are they not planning to compete in 2020? Of course not. How this helps anymore than just telling the other gms on a call...whatever. They just love to talk and feel active. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrad Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 13 minutes ago, bmags said: but also unneccessary. Nobody can convince me this shit moves the needle. But now if they trade colome...are they not planning to compete in 2020? Of course not. How this helps anymore than just telling the other gms on a call...whatever. They just love to talk and feel active. I agree with you completely, I feel that hahn is inept at his job of gm, the bottom line and that is all that matters is he has failed and failed badly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perfect Vision Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 It's going to be hilarious when the Sox have a really good, fun, competitive team next year, but Colome blows a bunch of saves and is DFA'd mid-year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 21 minutes ago, Perfect Vision said: It's going to be hilarious when the Sox have a really good, fun, competitive team next year, but Colome blows a bunch of saves and is DFA'd mid-year. It would seem so White Sox for this to happen. I still would only deal him for a high price though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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