GreenSox Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Just now, bmags said: Naw, not much. Small has incredible command and there isn’t much difference among players the later down the draft you go. I loved small for Sox. Well, who else are you looking at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox1917 Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 32 minutes ago, thxfrthmmrs said: Is there anyone with Trout upside Sox passed on? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockin Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 minute ago, GenericUserName said: Already eliminated. Great, the quicker we get him signed and in the system the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: ? I never thought of it that way. What good is putting balls in play if you hit it to the defense every time? You gotta get hits man. To me, a 70 hit tool should be hitting at least .330, if not .350+ in A+. No, a hit tool requires some power in it to produce a high average. An 80 hit tool with a 20 power would be a guy who would fight to hit 250. Contact quality is really important, and most people who can find contact consistently and play professional baseball will find enough power to hit for great average. That's why people are worrying too much about madrigal. He's not overmatched, he just doesnt have quite enough oooomph on his balls yet to boost his average but hes still getting to everything, putting it in play and not swing and missing. The next step in production will be learning to attach pitches he can drive while increasing his overall hit authority. The reason you take a 70+ hit tool early with power questions is that you need such little power for that grade to matter - below average league power and a 70 hit tool is an elite hitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, bmags said: So we are in the comp round. My takeaways: - Leiter is unsignable at this point. - Misner, Paris somewhat surprising drops to me - This comp round is going to be a blood bath for the players I like 🥵 It always is. I hate that freaking comp round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, thxfrthmmrs said: Yea bro your argument is completely falling apart here. You want a guy who, unlike Vaughn, has a high floor and offers more value than just hit/power, Madrigal is exactly that. Or if you want a guy, who unlike Madrigal, who could hit and hit right away and Vaughn will be that. You can’t argue both ways however. And you can keep talking up Bedlay, but no way I’m taking him over Vaughn with the swing and miss issue. He has a plus arm but isn’t a plus defender. That plus arm in RF isn’t enough for me to pass on Vaughn’s pure hitting ability. He’s more of a Jared Mitchell comp risk-wise than Vaughn. I'm of the opinion that this is a crappy draft for guys I like. I'm fine with Vaughn, hope he rakes. To be honest, I really wasn't crazy about anyone other than Adley and Witt. Whichever guy they took if those two were of the board I'd be fine with. In the T10, 3-10 were meh to me. This may sound crazy, but I trust people who are paid for their opinion more than mine on this. My whole argument about Vaughn wasn't that he is a bad pick, or even the wrong pick. It is more about the notion that he's "safe" when he's anything but. There has been a misunderstanding about me absolutely hating Vaughn, and that couldn't be further from the truth. I take exception to those that think he's safe. That is all. I've been expecting them to pick Vaughn since Spring traning. Edited June 4, 2019 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 10 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: Maybe the negative posters are just posting more but I feel like Vaughn is being extremely underrated here. Maybe...but this is a tremendous pick by the Sox. Vaughn will hit at this level... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 This draft should take like three hours total wtf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Sockin said: Great, the quicker we get him signed and in the system the better. Get him to W-S and maybe some of his pop can rub off on Nicky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jack Parkman Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 minute ago, DirtySox said: Keep falling, Misner! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, turnin' two said: It always is. I hate that freaking comp round. Comp round is okay to me. Competitive balance round can go to hell. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth05 Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, mqr said: This draft should take like three hours total wtf It’s really a joke. Get to the picks already!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 minute ago, DirtySox said: Son of a b****. Both guys I targeted and followed for 2 months for the Sox at #45, Hoese and Jameson, both whom at the time were considered 50+ overall picks, are both taken in the top #33 picks. Damn! Damn! Damn! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Just now, Timmy U said: Comp round is okay to me. Competitive balance round can go to hell. Bundling that in. That's the one that should rot away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, Wanne said: Maybe...but this is a tremendous pick by the Sox. Vaughn will hit at this level... Weather you wanted Vaughn or not...he's ours now so learn to love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Jack Parkman said: Keep falling, Misner! Still too many damn picks until the Sox. Comp picks killing the dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, mqr said: This draft should take like three hours total wtf HAROLD. NEEDS. TO. TALK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 10 minutes ago, Soxbadger said: The best WS player in my lifetime was a 1B. People don't realize how special Frank was. That is taking his ceiling as a draft prospect and busting through it. Frank Thomas, as a pure hitter is one of the top 10, if not top 5 right handed hitters of all time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Has my guy @Y2Jimmy0 spoken yet? Been pushin Abrams to Sox for weeeeeeeks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, Timmy U said: Comp round is okay to me. Competitive balance round can go to hell. Yes, that is actually what I meant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Just now, Jack Parkman said: People don't realize how special Frank was. That is taking his ceiling as a draft prospect and busting through it. Frank Thomas, as a pure hitter is one of the top 10, if not top 5 right handed hitters of all time. I think most people understand how special one of the three greatest right handed hitters ever was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Friday Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: No, a hit tool requires some power in it to produce a high average. An 80 hit tool with a 20 power would be a guy who would fight to hit 250. Contact quality is really important, and most people who can find contact consistently and play professional baseball will find enough power to hit for great average. That's why people are worrying too much about madrigal. He's not overmatched, he just doesnt have quite enough oooomph on his balls yet to boost his average but hes still getting to everything, putting it in play and not swing and missing. The next step in production will be learning to attach pitches he can drive while increasing his overall hit authority. The reason you take a 70+ hit tool early with power questions is that you need such little power for that grade to matter - below average league power and a 70 hit tool is an elite hitter. This is questionable. Juan Pierre had 20 power, didn’t have an 80 hit tool, and managed to make a nice career. There’s other variables that come into play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 At this rate the draft will end after 2 AM CT... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathofhahn Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 6 minutes ago, thxfrthmmrs said: Yea bro your argument is completely falling apart here. You want a guy who, unlike Vaughn, has a high floor and offers more value than just hit/power, Madrigal is exactly that. Or if you want a guy, who unlike Madrigal, who could hit and hit right away and Vaughn will be that. You can’t argue both ways however. And you can keep talking up Bedlay, but no way I’m taking him over Vaughn with the swing and miss issue. He has a plus arm but isn’t a plus defender. That plus arm in RF isn’t enough for me to pass on Vaughn’s pure hitting ability. He’s more of a Jared Mitchell comp risk-wise than Vaughn. Madrigal has a limited ceiling due to his stature and lack of power. Vaughn has to hit otherworldly to separate himself from a typical 1B who is going to hit anyways. I think it really isn't that difficult figuring out what most of the people who are down on these type of picks actually wanted. Guys with more of ceiling who played premium positions. Neither guy fits the bill Madrigal doesn't have the ceiling, Vaughn plays a non premium position. When you are picking top 5 you are expecting to walk away with someone who has the potential to be a superstar down the line for both players I don't think anyone expects that out of them both should be good but unless Vaughn bat ends up being top ten in baseball the pick is going to be a waste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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