OmarComing25 Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 hour ago, wrathofhahn said: unless Vaughn bat ends up being top ten in baseball the pick is going to be a waste. LOL a top 10 bat in baseball is like a 145 wRC+. You going to be disappointed if Vaughn is just a 140 wRC+ hitter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyNamesRod Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 hopefully the Sox grab Jordan Brewer from Michigan in the fourth round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 NOOoOoOoOoOoOoooOoOOOoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 17 minutes ago, Eminor3rd said: Frank Thomas over Willie Mays is the homer-est thing I've heard since Hawk retired. As a right handed hitter? No one is talking about as an overall player. Pretty simple here, but franks career ops is 974 and Mays was 941. Frank had an ops north of 1000 7 times over a 10 year period. Mays did it 5 times in his career. Peak Frank Thomas (his 5 best years) are pretty much better than almost anyone who has ever played the game. What's funny is your a Sox fan and you're arguing against something that's pro-Sox that was actually true. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 6 minutes ago, TomPickle said: Tonight ends with pick #78, correct? yes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomPickle Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Cubs pick hit a 3 run homer about 2 minutes after he was drafted. That's pretty cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 I am more bummed about this than anything else. God I love the brewers drafting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 6 minutes ago, TomPickle said: Tonight ends with pick #78, correct? I believe so...at the end of another fucking competitive balance reach around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 21 minutes ago, turnin' two said: Here you go "Pal". Something to peruse. https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mayswi01.shtml Seriously what are you citing? Do you even know what this discussion is about? No one is arguing Frank Thomas was a better overall player than willie Mays. Frank Thomas was a better hitter though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, The Sir said: I was gonna agree with this at first thought, but when Ray says, "as a hitter solely", maybe he has a point. 1991-1997 Thomas had a 1.056 OPS, with six seasons over 1.000 and his max season at 1.217. Neither Mays nor Dimaggio nor Aaron did that, although Dimaggio was interrupted by WWII. I mean that is fine, it just isn't cut and dried at all. Yeah, Frank is one of the best RH Hitters of all time for certain. But you could easily look at any of those guys, especially Mays, and picking a difference is splitting hairs somewhere. You could easily be comping Frank with Jeff Bagwell (94-01), Albert Pujols (01-10) and Miguel Cabrera(10-15) and have similar numbers. Frank is an All Time Great. And the best Sox player ever. My favorite player ever. I don't know how you can claim him to be better than some of these other guys though. It is splitting hairs to make whatever argument you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: As a right handed hitter? No one is talking about as an overall player. Pretty simple here, but franks career ops is 974 and Mays was 941. Frank had an ops north of 1000 7 times over a 10 year period. Mays did it 5 times in his career. Peak Frank Thomas (his 5 best years) are pretty much better than almost anyone who has ever played the game. What's funny is your a Sox fan and you're arguing against something that's pro-Sox that was actually true. But think about how much fresher a player can be for his at bats when he isn’t playing the field for over half of them in his career? But I guess the comeback would be, “well how many greenies did Mays take?” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 lol come for the draft talk stay for the frank versus mays talk. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, turnin' two said: I mean that is fine, it just isn't cut and dried at all. Yeah, Frank is one of the best RH Hitters of all time for certain. But you could easily look at any of those guys, especially Mays, and picking a difference is splitting hairs somewhere. You could easily be comping Frank with Jeff Bagwell (94-01), Albert Pujols (01-10) and Miguel Cabrera(10-15) and have similar numbers. Frank is an All Time Great. And the best Sox player ever. My favorite player ever. I don't know how you can claim him to be better than some of these other guys though. It is splitting hairs to make whatever argument you want. Lol yet you're laughing at me saying Frank is better... now its splitting hairs? So what were you laughing about exactly? People can be critical of me for a lot of things, but if I misunderstand or say something wrong I admit it and move on. You didnt understand the discussion, assumed I said Frank was better overall, laughed and were wrong. It's ok to admit it and move on. Frank is absolutely in the argument for top 5 right handed hitter of all-time, as I wrote and which triggered the discussion. Edited June 4, 2019 by Look at Ray Ray Run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Some video on Thompson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth05 Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 7 minutes ago, bmags said: I am more bummed about this than anything else. God I love the brewers drafting. Brewers,Rays and Dodgers laugh at talent dropping into their laps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: lol come for the draft talk stay for the frank versus mays talk. Lol it least it stemmed from an Andrew Vaughn discussion so its draftish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 9 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: As a right handed hitter? No one is talking about as an overall player. Pretty simple here, but franks career ops is 974 and Mays was 941. Frank had an ops north of 1000 7 times over a 10 year period. Mays did it 5 times in his career. Peak Frank Thomas (his 5 best years) are pretty much better than almost anyone who has ever played the game. What's funny is your a Sox fan and you're arguing against something that's pro-Sox that was actually true. The OPS is close and Thomas had the big advantage of pitchers using a shorter mound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomPickle Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 The Pirates draft seems pretty weird unless Priester is getting way over slot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 7 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: As a right handed hitter? No one is talking about as an overall player. Pretty simple here, but franks career ops is 974 and Mays was 941. Frank had an ops north of 1000 7 times over a 10 year period. Mays did it 5 times in his career. Peak Frank Thomas (his 5 best years) are pretty much better than almost anyone who has ever played the game. What's funny is your a Sox fan and you're arguing against something that's pro-Sox that was actually true. If you want to use OPS as a proxy, here is the career list (1st 4 are all LH). Of course OPS might not be the best metric if it doesn't support Hank Aaron among the best, if not the best RH hitter ever, or do I understand you to say Frank was a better hitter than Aaron? 5. Jimmie Foxx+ (20) 1.0376 R 6. Hank Greenberg+ (13) 1.0169 R 7. Rogers Hornsby+ (23) 1.0103 R 8. Manny Ramirez (19) .9960 R 9. Mike Trout (9, 27) .9936 R 10. Mark McGwire (16) .9823 R 11. Mickey Mantle+ (18) .9773 B 12. Joe DiMaggio+ (13) .9771 R 13. Stan Musial+ (22) .9757 L 14. Frank Thomas+ (19) .9740 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Seriously what are you citing? Do you even know what this discussion is about? No one is arguing Frank Thomas was a better overall player than willie Mays. Frank Thomas was a better hitter though. Based on what? I don't want to tear down Frank, but his prime, as mentioned was 91-97. 7 seasons. Mays had 13 straight seasons without having an OPS lower than .924. He also never played fewer than 151 games in that stretch. 4 times in that stretch he hit more homers than Frank's career high. He also hit double digit triples 5 times in that stretch. Stole double digit bases 9 times (do steals not count, it is offensive but not hitting. Ok maybe they shouldn't count). He knocked in triple digits 10 times in that span. He didn't BB like Frank did, but Frank had over 350 TB once in his career, Mays did 7 times. There can be a very strong case made for either guy. To try to claim it definitively, is silly. Edited June 4, 2019 by turnin' two Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 10 minutes ago, Wanne said: I believe so...at the end of another fucking competitive balance reach around. Featuring 2 more picks by the D-Backs and the Padres, who are in such desperate need of competitive balance that they signed a $300M free agent this offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 minute ago, ptatc said: The OPS is close and Thomas had the big advantage of pitchers using a shorter mound. Fair point certainly. I'd argue Mays had the big advantage of not spending his entire career playing against a league that was 50% users... as well as playing in an era with less talent overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, Whitesox27 said: Some video on Thompson. I like the motion. Much better than sine of their recent high draft picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Lol yet you're laughing at me saying Frank is better... now its splitting hairs? So what were you laughing about exactly? People can be critical of me for a lot of things, but if I misunderstand or say something wrong I admit it and move on. You didnt understand the discussion, assumed I said Frank was better overall, laughed and were wrong. It's ok to admit it and move on. Frank is absolutely in the argument for top 5 right handed hitter of all-time, as I wrote and which triggered the discussion. What triggered the discussion was you saying he was one of the three best RH hitters ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Just now, Quin said: Featuring 2 more picks by the D-Backs and the Padres, who are in such desperate need of competitive balance that they signed a $300M free agent this offseason. RIGHT?!?! Really just frosts my ass MLB does this.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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