Rankin Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 (edited) How do we feel, Sox fans? Ken Sawilchik provides plenty of perspective on the new slugger. (I'm pumped.) Edited June 7, 2019 by Rankin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 I couldn't be more pumped!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 I'm excited. I liked Bleday a lot but Vaughn's swing is just stellar. This offense has the potential to be really really good in 2 years (and for a long time). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 He looks like a pretty finished product, should fly through the Sox system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 hour ago, lostfan said: He looks like a pretty finished product, should fly through the Sox system If true, I wonder if they actually move on from Abreu. Abreu still has the power stroke but his ability to hit for average is slipping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 4 hours ago, Jack Parkman said: If true, I wonder if they actually move on from Abreu. Abreu still has the power stroke but his ability to hit for average is slipping. It looks to me that Abreu made adjustments in his approach and exchanged average for power numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 If it’s true that he will be up with the Sox in 2 years, they’re definitely done with Abreu. Especially if Collins is also close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 (edited) I like the pick. If Vaughn is as good as advertised he should be able to continue the white sox tradition of good 1B men. Since 1999 the sox only had a bad 1b man in 2 years: 2003 when konerko had a suck year and 2013 when konerko was done. Otherwise 1999-2012: konerko 285/361/504 123 ops+ (was a really offensive era), 30 hr, 93 rbi on average 2014-19: abreu 291/349/515 136 ops+,32 hr, 107 rbi on average If vaughn can continue that he definitely was worth the 3 pick. Vaughn could very well be able to do that. Fangraphs has him at 60/60 hit power which means about a 280 average, 25 hr and a 120 ops+ but I have also seen 70/65 which would mean 290 with 30 homers and a 135 ops+ which basically is exactly abreu. Considering that abreu is much more expensive and might decline it probably doesn't make sense to extend him, however since vaughn likely will need until mid to late 2020 to be ready giving abreu a 1 year deal if he takes it might make sense, maybe a two year deal if you want to service time vaughn into 2021. Edited June 4, 2019 by dominik-keul@gmx.de Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 (edited) 44 minutes ago, dominik-keul@gmx.de said: I like the pick. If Vaughn is as good as advertised he should be able to continue the white sox tradition of good 1B men. Since 1999 the sox only had a bad 1b man in 3 years: 2003 when konerko had a suck year and 2013 when konerko was done. Otherwise 1999-2012: konerko 285/361/504 123 ops+ (was a really offensive era), 30 hr, 93 rbi on average 2014-19: abreu 291/349/515 136 ops+,32 hr, 107 rbi on average If vaughn can continue that he definitely was worth the 3 pick. Vaughn could very well be able to do that. Fangraphs has him at 60/60 hit power which means about a 280 average, 25 hr and a 120 ops+ but I have also seen 70/65 which would mean 290 with 30 homers and a 135 ops+ which basically is exactly abreu. Considering that abreu is much more expensive and might decline it probably doesn't make sense to extend him, however since vaughn likely will need until mid to late 2020 to be ready giving abreu a 1 year deal if he takes it might make sense, maybe a two year deal if you want to service time vaughn into 2021. I'm thrilled to add a potential impact bat, however this signing does raise the issue of Abreu's place, going forward. The Sox are going to need to spend on a LH hitting, middle of the order bat, in free agency, or make a trade. That player will either have to be a corner outfielder, or a DH, which leaves Jose with no place to play. Therefore, once Vaughn arrives, Abreu would likely need to be gone. We also better really hope that Collins can stick, behind the plate and that his bat will be good enough. There is not going to be room for him at first, and he probably is not going to be a good enough hitter to DH. Then too, there is still the question of Burger, yet another right handed hitter, who profiles best as a DH, or maybe a first baseman. It still baffles me how this front office has managed to stock up on so many right handed hitting, first basemen, DH's. Not very good planning. We have one legitimate Left handed hitting, middle of the order, impact bat; Moncada. Even there, it would have been nice to have the luxury of batting him 1ST or 2ND, to take advantage of his speed. Anderson, Robert, Eloy, Burger and now Vaughn, all right handed hitting. Perhaps they thought that trading for Rutherford was going to help address the problem. However, he is really struggling. Edited June 4, 2019 by Lillian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 (edited) Abreu is like 33 next year so I wouldn't give him more than 3 years anyway. Nothing wrong with a two year deal though, 2020 vaughn spends in the minors, then he gets super 2ed until late may and the rest of 2021 Abreu DHs or is traded at the deadline. Edited June 4, 2019 by dominik-keul@gmx.de Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 9 hours ago, lostfan said: He looks like a pretty finished product, should fly through the Sox system Probably on the fastest track to the majors of this class, hopefully up towards the end of '20 or beginning of '21 8 hours ago, Jack Parkman said: If true, I wonder if they actually move on from Abreu. Abreu still has the power stroke but his ability to hit for average is slipping. I doubt it, think the org. has already probably discussed extending him and Abreu is likely to take a discount...Let him DH...plus AV won't be up just yet 38 minutes ago, dominik-keul@gmx.de said: I like the pick. If Vaughn is as good as advertised he should be able to continue the white sox tradition of good 1B men. Since 1999 the sox only had a bad 1b man in 2 years: 2003 when konerko had a suck year and 2013 when konerko was done. Otherwise 1999-2012: konerko 285/361/504 123 ops+ (was a really offensive era), 30 hr, 93 rbi on average 2014-19: abreu 291/349/515 136 ops+,32 hr, 107 rbi on average If vaughn can continue that he definitely was worth the 3 pick. Vaughn could very well be able to do that. Fangraphs has him at 60/60 hit power which means about a 280 average, 25 hr and a 120 ops+ but I have also seen 70/65 which would mean 290 with 30 homers and a 135 ops+ which basically is exactly abreu. Considering that abreu is much more expensive and might decline it probably doesn't make sense to extend him, however since vaughn likely will need until mid to late 2020 to be ready giving abreu a 1 year deal if he takes it might make sense, maybe a two year deal if you want to service time vaughn into 2021. A 2 year extension for Abreu would be perfect, 3 is pushing it but I'd welcome it...something around 15 a year 13 minutes ago, dominik-keul@gmx.de said: Abreu is like 33 so I wouldn't give him more than 3 years anyway. Nothing wrong with a two year deal though, 2020 vaughn spends in the minors, then he gets super 2ed until late may and the rest of 2021 Abreu DHs or is traded at the deadline. Perfect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 When do we see Vaughn up? This season or next? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Safest option at #3, but a hell of a player...best college bat obviously This team's future still looks very promising folks Anderson, Moncada, Robert, Vaughn, Eloy, Collins, Madrigal oh my Not to mention Kopech, Giolito, Lopez, Cease 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Just now, ron883 said: When do we see Vaughn up? This season or next? Next at the earliest, they'd be crazy to rush him like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 22 minutes ago, Lillian said: I'm thrilled to add a potential impact bat, however this signing does raise the issue of Abreu's place, going forward. The Sox are going to need to spend on a LH hitting, middle of the order bat, in free agency, or make a trade. That player will either have to be a corner outfielder, or a DH, which leaves Jose with no place to play. Therefore, once Vaughn arrives, Abreu likely needs to be gone. We also better really hope that Collins can stick, behind the plate and that his bat will be good enough. There is not going to be room for him at first, and he is likely not going to be a good enough hitter to DH. So look around the rosters for LH power hitting OF and see what we can find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Let him dominate at AA and AAA, before even thinking about bringing him up. Where would he even play? He's 21, there is plenty of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Vaughn isn't a disaster like last years first round pick but still uninspired and safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: So look around the rosters for LH power hitting OF and see what we can find. I often do, but don't see many options. So far, Dickerson might be the best free agent candidate, next year and that isn't much of a solution. Edited June 4, 2019 by Lillian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Lillian said: Let him dominate at AA and AAA, before even thinking about bringing him up. Where would he even play? He's 21, there is plenty of time. DFA Alonso and trade Abreu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GermanSoxFan Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 9 minutes ago, ChiSoxJon said: Probably on the fastest track to the majors of this class, hopefully up towards the end of '20 or beginning of '21 I doubt it, think the org. has already probably discussed extending him and Abreu is likely to take a discount...Let him DH...plus AV won't be up just yet A 2 year extension for Abreu would be perfect, 3 is pushing it but I'd welcome it...something around 15 a year Perfect 15 mil/yr for Abreu is a serious overpay. Over the last 18 months he hasn't cracked a .800 OPS and his defense was never his calling card. With the way the market has been for 1B/DH types, he would be lucky to get a third of that on the open market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmb0928 Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 His build reminds me of Mike Trout and his powerful compact swing is reminiscent of Trout. 6-0 215lbs vs Trout 6-2 235lbs. Obviously he doesn't have the speed and defense but offensively he reminds me of him. Lets hope he is half the player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 13 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Vaughn isn't a disaster like last years first round pick but still uninspired and safe. Madrigal will be fine. Won't be surprised if he is next years starting 2 nd baseman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 minute ago, pmb0928 said: His build reminds me of Mike Trout and his powerful compact swing is reminiscent of Trout. 6-0 215lbs vs Trout 6-2 235lbs. Obviously he doesn't have the speed and defense but offensively he reminds me of him. Lets hope he is half the player. Let's stick him in CF and see what we got 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 14 minutes ago, Lillian said: I often do, but don't see many options. So far, Dickerson might be the best free agent candidate, next year and that isn't much of a solution. Go out and sign Scooter Gennett or trade for Ian Happ and you put a LH or Switch hitting bat in your 2nd base hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Go out and sign Scooter Gennett or trade for Ian Happ and you put a LH or Switch hitting bat in your 2nd base hole. Happ is crap. Does make a nice marketing slogan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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