ChiSox59 Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 1 hour ago, soxfan2014 said: That really wasn't my point ha. It was more for the people doubting they would offer Cole a contract due to what he wants. Yet, they just offered more overall and a significantly higher (I'd say $8 mill per year is significant) AAV to someone just last off-season. Dissenters are going to dissent. Until the Sox change prove them wrong, they aren't going to change their tune. Even then, they'll still find something to complain about. Probably that they paid too much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 4 hours ago, soxfan2014 said: That really wasn't my point ha. It was more for the people doubting they would offer Cole a contract due to what he wants. Yet, they just offered more overall and a significantly higher (I'd say $8 mill per year is significant) AAV to someone just last off-season. Sox don’t offer four year deals to outside free agent pitchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, ewokpelts said: Sox don’t offer four year deals to outside free agent pitchers. Masahiro Tanaka was supposedly going to get at least $120-130 million from the Sox as a young/er pitcher with TOR upside. I guess with Cole, they will argue his velocity makes a long-term contract prohibitively dangerous after so much high leverage usage, then sign Wheeler for half that amount. Edited June 26, 2019 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 5 hours ago, ChiSox59 said: Dissenters are going to dissent. Until the Sox change prove them wrong, they aren't going to change their tune. Even then, they'll still find something to complain about. Probably that they paid too much! I couldn't care less about how much money is being spent to sign a guy, it's not like JR won't know where his next meal is coming from but the earlier part of your statement is correct. Until the Sox actually get it done instead of just talking, which as we all know is cheap, fans are going to be skeptical. And they damn well should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: I couldn't care less about how much money is being spent to sign a guy, it's not like JR won't know where his next meal is coming from but the earlier part of your statement is correct. Until the Sox actually get it done instead of just talking, which as we all know is cheap, fans are going to be skeptical. And they damn well should be. Yeah the skepticism is definitely fair. But there is a reason for hope based on what I said earlier. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenericUserName Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 They're spending money! https://blogs.fangraphs.com/instagraphs/job-posting-white-sox-baseball-operations-software-engineer-and-analyst/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 19 minutes ago, GenericUserName said: They're spending money! https://blogs.fangraphs.com/instagraphs/job-posting-white-sox-baseball-operations-software-engineer-and-analyst/ Glad to see that, for sure. Greg should apply for it for funsies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Eloy Jiménez said: Glad to see that, for sure. Greg should apply for it for funsies. "First order of business, sign Abreu to a lifetime contract. go Sox!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 28 minutes ago, ron883 said: "First order of business, sign Abreu to a lifetime contract. go Sox!" And bring back Ozzie. And find Alex Rios and break his legs so he'll never even think about playing baseball again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 (edited) And force all left-handed pull hitters to practice push bunts down the 3B line at least twenty minutes per day. Make parking free and all souvenirs and concessions sold at only 25% markup. Matt Davidson three homer game against KC on Opening Day Bobblehead Giveaway. Edited June 27, 2019 by caulfield12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Eloy Jiménez said: Glad to see that, for sure. Greg should apply for it for funsies. Who's the poster who regularly writes letters to Jerry and wanted to be interviewed for the GM job? This might be the closest opportunity he will get lol Edited June 27, 2019 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 15 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: Who's the poster who regularly writes letters to Jerry and wanted to be interviewed for the GM job? This might be the closest opportunity he will get lol @WBWSF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 3 hours ago, soxfan49 said: @WBWSF I would give JR the most memorable interview he ever had in his life. I don't know if I would get the GM job after the interview but I guarantee you that JR would not ever forget my interview. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, WBWSF said: I would give JR the most memorable interview he ever had in his life. I don't know if I would get the GM job after the interview but I guarantee you that JR would not ever forget my interview. Odds are no 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, soxfan49 said: Odds are no Years ago I could have had a job with the White Sox. I couldn't take it. I had other concerns at the time. Looking back at that, I should have taken the job.I figure I could have moved up the ladder over time and would have probably become the White Sox GM. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 1 minute ago, WBWSF said: Years ago I could have had a job with the White Sox. I couldn't take it. I had other concerns at the time. Looking back at that, I should have taken the job.I figure I could have moved up the ladder over time and would have probably become the White Sox GM. Probably. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 1 hour ago, WBWSF said: Years ago I could have had a job with the White Sox. I couldn't take it. I had other concerns at the time. Looking back at that, I should have taken the job.I figure I could have moved up the ladder over time and would have probably become the White Sox GM. Of course 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 1 hour ago, WBWSF said: I would give JR the most memorable interview he ever had in his life. I don't know if I would get the GM job after the interview but I guarantee you that JR would not ever forget my interview. Agreed, but not in a positive way. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 On 6/26/2019 at 10:22 AM, ewokpelts said: But manny wanted a record breaker as well as the opt out. Things the Sox don’t do. There is no player I would give an opt out to. The team is taking the risk when giving out mega deals. The team is entitled to certainty of control of player in exchange for certainty of income. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 36 minutes ago, poppysox said: There is no player I would give an opt out to. The team is taking the risk when giving out mega deals. The team is entitled to certainty of control of player in exchange for certainty of income. Then you would sign no players. Opt outs are part of business now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 8 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: Then you would sign no players. Opt outs are part of business now By no means are opt outs given in all cases. Yes...some players ask for and get them because of circumstances unique to the situation. In my view...if a player doesn't want to commit to the team...we don't need him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 (edited) There are circumstances in which providing an opt out to a player might be regarded by management, as being in the team's best interest. It can serve to keep a player more motivated, than guaranteeing his earnings, for the rest of his career. Human nature will drive a player harder to play for yet one more contract. In addition, if a team really only desires to sign a player for 4 or 5 years, but the player wants a longer contract, offering him an opt out might actually be more compatible with the team's preference. So in some cases, while the opt out may appear to be a concession to the player, it may actually be preferred by management. Edited June 28, 2019 by Lillian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 17 hours ago, WBWSF said: Years ago I could have had a job with the White Sox. I couldn't take it. I had other concerns at the time. Looking back at that, I should have taken the job.I figure I could have moved up the ladder over time and would have probably become the White Sox GM. I’m thinking more like Senior Executive Vice President above Kenny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 39 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said: I’m thinking more like Senior Executive Vice President above Kenny. I'm thinking more like Southpaw 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 10 hours ago, Lillian said: There are circumstances in which providing an opt out to a player might be regarded by management, as being in the team's best interest. It can serve to keep a player more motivated, than guaranteeing his earnings, for the rest of his career. Human nature will drive a player harder to play for yet one more contract. In addition, if a team really only desires to sign a player for 4 or 5 years, but the player wants a longer contract, offering him an opt out might actually be more compatible with the team's preference. So in some cases, while the opt out may appear to be a concession to the player, it may actually be preferred by management. Not the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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