Greg Hibbard Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 I’m inclined to wait on Cease, Robert, and Madrigal until after service time flips next year. I would much rather have them as mature pieces of a competitive 2026 than as learning on the job in 2019. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaDoc Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 38 minutes ago, Greg Hibbard said: I’m inclined to wait on Cease, Robert, and Madrigal until after service time flips next year. I would much rather have them as mature pieces of a competitive 2026 than as learning on the job in 2019. Madrigal and Robert are not on the 40 man so that matters also unless they are really ready. You would possibly lose someone in the Dec draft you might want to keep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, BamaDoc said: Madrigal and Robert are not on the 40 man so that matters also unless they are really ready. You would possibly lose someone in the Dec draft you might want to keep. Eh there's plenty of dead wood to cut off. Jimmy Cordero, Yonder, Cordell, almost another half dozen relievers. Engel (you'd probably pick one of Cordell and Enge to cut). Sox will have a 40 man crunch when they are good again. They aren't quite there yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaDoc Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: Eh there's plenty of dead wood to cut off. Jimmy Cordero, Yonder, Cordell, almost another half dozen relievers. Engel (you'd probably pick one of Cordell and Enge to cut). Sox will have a 40 man crunch when they are good again. They aren't quite there yet. I am not ready to take my annual dive into it but yes I count about ten that can be removed with minimal pain. But there are more you have to add usually than this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkness99 Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 He ain't good.. but better then what we were using... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 3 hours ago, Greg Hibbard said: I’m inclined to wait on Cease, Robert, and Madrigal until after service time flips next year. I would much rather have them as mature pieces of a competitive 2026 than as learning on the job in 2019. I think you have to throw service time concerns out the window when it comes to pitchers. They’re so fragile. I think you have to almost treat like NFL teams treat running backs. Get what you can out of their arms and move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 34 minutes ago, Joshua Strong said: I think you have to throw service time concerns out the window when it comes to pitchers. They’re so fragile. I think you have to almost treat like NFL teams treat running backs. Get what you can out of their arms and move on. I don’t think, in this case, you should. Giolito was a highly touted prospect, struggled, and now is apparently ace caliber. Cease has shown flashes of dominance, and if you have the type of pitcher that gives you 4-6 good to great years, we should absolutely bring him up 8 months later when there is no pressing need Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba phillips Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 19 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: Like a bad penny the stiffs just keep on returning. White Sox baseball...leading the big leagues in dumpster diving! Hahn should be known as "Mr. Waste Management" for all of his dumpster diving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 5 hours ago, Greg Hibbard said: I’m inclined to wait on Cease, Robert, and Madrigal until after service time flips next year. I would much rather have them as mature pieces of a competitive 2026 than as learning on the job in 2019. I know where you're coming from. Extensions could solve those problems I would think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 18 minutes ago, poppysox said: I know where you're coming from. Extensions could solve those problems I would think. Easier said than done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Just now, ron883 said: Easier said than done. Rick has extensions as a specialty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 11 hours ago, Greg Hibbard said: I don’t think, in this case, you should. Giolito was a highly touted prospect, struggled, and now is apparently ace caliber. Cease has shown flashes of dominance, and if you have the type of pitcher that gives you 4-6 good to great years, we should absolutely bring him up 8 months later when there is no pressing need I disagree. Arms and elbows have a certain number of bullets in them before they’re done for good. I want as many as those bullets spent in the majors as possible. A good example of this is Zack Burdi. A lot of people said that he could pitch in the majors right after being drafted as a reliever. Maybe the Sox were wrong not to rush his development. He’s not a starter who needed a third pitch or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GermanSoxFan Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 22 hours ago, Moan4Yoan said: Back when his screwball was a money pitch. Hector never really threw a screwball in the majors outside of his first season. And even then he only threw it 6% of the time, after that year he didn‘t throw one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 In 10 years time or so, Odaris Despaigne will be the answer to a query on Soxtalk "hey remember that starting pitcher who never really warmed up before games and sucked?". That is the next time I'd like to hear about him please. Just release his sorry butt and bring up Santiago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 16 hours ago, Greg Hibbard said: I don’t think, in this case, you should. Giolito was a highly touted prospect, struggled, and now is apparently ace caliber. Cease has shown flashes of dominance, and if you have the type of pitcher that gives you 4-6 good to great years, we should absolutely bring him up 8 months later when there is no pressing need Almost all of our best development recently has been in the majors so I think you are just putting off the inevitable by waiting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWINFan Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 This signing is an indication of several things. First, it obvious. Starting pitching is thin. Secondly, the Sox will need to address this problem in the off-season in some manner. And this team is still at least one more year away from being a serious contender. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 10 hours ago, Joshua Strong said: I disagree. Arms and elbows have a certain number of bullets in them before they’re done for good. I want as many as those bullets spent in the majors as possible. A good example of this is Zack Burdi. A lot of people said that he could pitch in the majors right after being drafted as a reliever. Maybe the Sox were wrong not to rush his development. He’s not a starter who needed a third pitch or something. What if those “bullets” include the kind of outings we are seeing from underdeveloped or lesser talent in the rotation? I think the recent scary run of injuries tends to overshadow that most pitchers don’t go down like that necessarily, historically. I guess the ball is different now, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 3 hours ago, Greg Hibbard said: What if those “bullets” include the kind of outings we are seeing from underdeveloped or lesser talent in the rotation? I think the recent scary run of injuries tends to overshadow that most pitchers don’t go down like that necessarily, historically. I guess the ball is different now, though. Manfred just admitted to that fact: https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/are-baseballs-juiced-mlb-commissioner-rob-manfred-says-centering-of-the-pill-is-partially-causing-home-run-spike/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisox378 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Santiago had a 4.50 era last season in over 100 innings pitched. Not bad considering our pitching situation this season if Santiago can repeat. But first give Detwiller a chance,he has earned it. Not sure if they are going to give Fulmer a shot either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradMc Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 On 6/21/2019 at 11:12 PM, Lillian said: Can "Big Game" Shields be far behind? LOL Oh please don't give Hahn ideas. Tatis Jr by the way looks like a stud He's my favorite non Sox player. I wish him all the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 I'd prefer Shields to Nova, Santana, Despaigne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 15 hours ago, Greg Hibbard said: What if those “bullets” include the kind of outings we are seeing from underdeveloped or lesser talent in the rotation? I think the recent scary run of injuries tends to overshadow that most pitchers don’t go down like that necessarily, historically. I guess the ball is different now, though. I still want as many of those bullets spent in the majors as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Waiting on Jimmy Lambert news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 More dumpster diving 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Ex White Sox pitcher Carlos Torres is a free agent again. I wonder if Hahn will bring him back to the White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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