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1 hour ago, bmags said:

Dang I guess praising his spirit didn't work.

He knows this organization is a joke.  Look at how he was under Hoiberg, a good to really good player that we all thought could develop into a star.  The front office gave Hoiberg nothing in terms of players that fit his system.

And now Boylen is sucking the life out of the Bulls now and every player looks lethargic out there with the exception of LaVine.  Not one player has gotten better.  White has been below average.  It's hilariously bad that not one person in the front office sees this.  Boylen is hands down the worst coach in sports right now.

 

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Waiting for the annual, Bulls had a lot of discussions,  everybody loves our players , but just nothing that made sense for them line we get every year.  

No one loves their lottery players more than GarPax.

Edited by Dick Allen

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2 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

Waiting for the annual, Bulls had a lot of discussions,  everybody loves our players , but just nothing that made sense for them line we get every year.  

No one loves their lottery players more than GarPax.

Love it.  It's hilarious the excuses they have.

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19 minutes ago, GGajewski18 said:

He knows this organization is a joke.  Look at how he was under Hoiberg, a good to really good player that we all thought could develop into a star.  The front office gave Hoiberg nothing in terms of players that fit his system.

And now Boylen is sucking the life out of the Bulls now and every player looks lethargic out there with the exception of LaVine.  Not one player has gotten better.  White has been below average.  It's hilariously bad that not one person in the front office sees this.  Boylen is hands down the worst coach in sports right now.

 

Lauri isn't the future, regardless of who the head coach is.

Every single player on the Bulls should be expendable. 

Edited by Look at Ray Ray Run

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3 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

You're loaded like the Bulls, you stand pat as much as  possible.

What else could they possibly need?

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2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Lauri isn't the future, regardless of who the head coach is.

Every single player on the Bulls should be expendable. 

Someone would have to want one of those players. As of now, the Bulls are where you wind up when you are expendable. 

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Fire everyone right now and make Joakim Noah coach. Let him ingest an edible a game now that it's legal in Illinois.

At least make it fun.

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2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Someone would have to want one of those players. As of now, the Bulls are where you wind up when you are expendable. 

This front offices number one problem has always been properly valuing their own players; going on two decades, they have overvalued their own talent making trading them impossible. Then when they do trade someone, it's for personal reasons and they don't even get back proper value (see Jimmy).

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In other news; Poor fucking Derrick. 

Jesus Christ how do the Lakers not trade for him? Derrick has been FANTASTIC this season - he can't play the big minutes, but he's a top 30 player in the league again when he's on the court. What a shame he's going to waste away in Detroit.

On a rate basis, this is the best season of Derrick's career - his Per 36 numbers are absurd 25/8/3 on 50/32/85.

Edited by Look at Ray Ray Run

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The audacity of this guy saying basketball knows no loyalty.

Jerry pays the guy for his contract that he didn't owe due to Jay Williams violating the terms by riding the motorcycle... then 10 years later, Jay is ripping the Bulls publicly despite them taking care of him when they didn't have to.

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1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

The audacity of this guy saying basketball knows no loyalty.

Jerry pays the guy for his contract that he didn't owe due to Jay Williams violating the terms by riding the motorcycle... then 10 years later, Jay is ripping the Bulls publicly despite them taking care of him when they didn't have to.

Yeah, Jay Williams is a piece of shit.

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I'm sure insurance paid it, not Jerry.

edit: it was also a mutually agreed buyout, it's not like Jerry (insurance) paid the rest of his contract.

Edited by Jenksismyhero

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3 minutes ago, Jenksismyhero said:

I'm sure insurance paid it, not Jerry.

edit: it was also a mutually agreed buyout, it's not like Jerry (insurance) paid the rest of his contract.

He owed him zero dollars; he violated the terms of the deal. The Bulls literally owed him nothing. They gave him millions. Insurance paid for nothing - insurance wouldn't cover a player who violated his contract. Insurance would only cover that player if that player was legally owed the money. 

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Here's the literal quote defining that what the Bulls did was not required, and was well beyond what most would have done:

 

Riding a motorcycle violates the standard NBA contract, and the
Bulls could have terminated Williams' deal after the accident June
19. Instead, they put the No. 2 pick in the 2002 draft on injured
reserve and continued to pay him.

The Bulls not only paid him for the duration of that season - paying him his full pay - they then gave him an additional 3 million dollars during the off-season. The Bulls were loyal and took care of Jay Williams; regardless of how you want to portray Reinsdorf. 

Edited by Look at Ray Ray Run

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There was more to it than Jerry simply feeling nice. The Bulls got the benefit, most likely of being able to waive him immediately and not have him on the books while they fought over nonpayment with the league and with the players' association. They reached a settlement for a reason...it wasn't for his benefit alone.

You may be right about insurance, but I assume these franchises all have policies to cover instances where they're contractually obligated (with good legal reason or not) to pay players that are injured and can't suit up.

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From this (https://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=1722485)  story:
 

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By buying Williams out -- the settlement is believed to be worth

more than $3 million -- the Bulls gain a roster spot and added
flexibility with the salary cap. It also gives Williams options,
including the possibility of re-signing with the Bulls if he
returns to the NBA.

 

The Bulls got something out of it too. There's zero chance Reinsdorf, or any owner, does something nice without getting something back in return.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Jenksismyhero said:

There was more to it than Jerry simply feeling nice. The Bulls got the benefit, most likely of being able to waive him immediately and not have him on the books while they fought over nonpayment with the league and with the players' association. They reached a settlement for a reason...it wasn't for his benefit alone.

You may be right about insurance, but I assume these franchises all have policies to cover instances where they're contractually obligated (with good legal reason or not) to pay players that are injured and can't suit up.

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From this (https://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=1722485)  story:
 

 

 

 

You're missing the point though. Again, Jay Williams had no legal grounds to stand on. The PA had no leverage - he violated his contract, and in turn he voided it.

Now the Bulls surely had some motivation to negotiate based for PR reasons alone, but the Bulls could have cut him the day he got hurt and never paid him another dime and there would have been nothing the PA or the courts could do about it. 

The Bulls chose to not only place him on IR and pay him for the duration of that year, but they chose to give him 3 million for the remaining two years on his deal. There is no way to spin that negatively, and it was certainly loyalty showed by Jerry and basketball towards Jay. He was a bitter asshole after that for years.

Edited by Look at Ray Ray Run

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1 hour ago, Kyyle23 said:

 

yeah not gonna lie, aside from trading Thad Young, I did not want pax to be the one re-defining everything.

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Can’t wait until they make full blown changes. Injuries are part of the story but they have had way too many opportunities and Boylen has shown he isn’t a good coach. 

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What are they really going to change? Does anyone really believe they will hire a new guy to make the decisions that need to be made? They might hire someone they will let bounce ideas around. But it will be years before they let a new guy tear down GarPaxs rebuild  They would have to admit they were wrong. They can’t even do that with Boylen where even the beat writers and TV guys wonder WTF? Did you hear Stacey King when Boylen compared Luke Kornet to Robert Horry?

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8 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

What are they really going to change? Does anyone really believe they will hire a new guy to make the decisions that need to be made? They might hire someone they will let bounce ideas around. But it will be years before they let a new guy tear down GarPaxs rebuild  They would have to admit they were wrong. They can’t even do that with Boylen where even the beat writers and TV guys wonder WTF? Did you hear Stacey King when Boylen compared Luke Kornet to Robert Horry?

Maybe they’ll get lucky

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