KnightsOnMintSt Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Something like 3-year, $36 million? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Hopefully, right now, it doesn't look like anything. As it hasn't been thought about much by the FO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 It will look similar to this, except with McCann instead of Brees 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 31 minutes ago, KnightsOnMintSt said: Something like 3-year, $36 million? Six weeks ago it would have taken something like 3 years at 6 million per year. Now it might be about 3 years at 10 million per year. Soon your number will be spot on. This Is exactly what some of us were warning would happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinski Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 I’d pay it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 1 hour ago, KnightsOnMintSt said: Something like 3-year, $36 million? I think that's a little heavy. Maybe 3/$28? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Why were people b****ing when McCann was signed for $2.5 million? What's his arb number next year? These extension numbers are crazy. You really think his BABIP will continue over .400? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Just now, Dick Allen said: Why were people b****ing when McCann was signed for $2.5 million? What's his arb number next year? These extension numbers are crazy. You really think his BABIP will continue over .400? I agree that the extension numbers being thrown around are crazy for a half season of good production. Sox absolutely can be patient as McCann is still under arbitration control next season, plenty of time to evaluate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 It is not time for an extension. He has a long bad track record and we control him next year. His BABIP is insane - even if he’s gotten a lot better, he won’t be THIS good, so it doesn’t make sense to pay him at this level. Give it time to see where he levels off, see if anyone else develops below him, etc., then offer during 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Good thing he caught that foul pop in ASG. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackDoorBreach Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 There is no reason to extend McCann right now, we have him for another year. It's also counter productive for a front office to start extension talks when he's literally never been more valuable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Dick Allen said: Why were people b****ing when McCann was signed for $2.5 million? What's his arb number next year? These extension numbers are crazy. You really think his BABIP will continue over .400? I was wondering that, I'm going to assume 5 million? JT REalmuto got 5.2 mill in arb 2 with much more production and consistency. I don't know how arbs factor in all star bumps like this. So buy out next year a bit higher, say $6 mill. Then what are you paying for a 2 year extension after that, I'd say maybe go for a wilson ramos contract of 2 for 19, so all in for 3 for 25 million? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Eminor3rd said: It is not time for an extension. He has a long bad track record and we control him next year. His BABIP is insane - even if he’s gotten a lot better, he won’t be THIS good, so it doesn’t make sense to pay him at this level. Give it time to see where he levels off, see if anyone else develops below him, etc., then offer during 2020. I disagree. I think people are overthinking this. If McCann expects to be paid like an all star catcher then you don't extend, but he is likely not an idiot. he can guarantee extra years, get a bonus for next year, and sox can cement in place a veteran catcher his pitchers love and can mentor multiple young catchers in place. He's not going to get an extension of 3 years 60 million. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 16 minutes ago, bmags said: I was wondering that, I'm going to assume 5 million? JT REalmuto got 5.2 mill in arb 2 with much more production and consistency. I don't know how arbs factor in all star bumps like this. So buy out next year a bit higher, say $6 mill. Then what are you paying for a 2 year extension after that, I'd say maybe go for a wilson ramos contract of 2 for 19, so all in for 3 for 25 million? If it's three years eight million why sweat it? That's nothing. If that's all it takes, extend him now. 3 for 25. The problem is poor Collins will be his backup 4 more seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 2 hours ago, steveno89 said: I agree that the extension numbers being thrown around are crazy for a half season of good production. Sox absolutely can be patient as McCann is still under arbitration control next season, plenty of time to evaluate. Being patient is silly. Don't ever criticize management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Dick Allen said: Why were people b****ing when McCann was signed for $2.5 million? What's his arb number next year? These extension numbers are crazy. You really think his BABIP will continue over .400? With the massive caveat that nobody knows what Mccann is looking for i would wait as long as possible to re-up with him. If you regress his babip down to a more sustainable 330 he's a solid regular but not a star. Solid regular is awesome but we don't want to pay him like this is his true talent until we know it's real. It probably isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Would Wilson Ramos be a good comp here? Had a bad 2017 but was a 2018 All Star, hit free agency at age 31, a little bit better than McCann defensively in 2018, got 2/$19 from the Mets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Balta1701 said: Would Wilson Ramos be a good comp here? Had a bad 2017 but was a 2018 All Star, hit free agency at age 31, a little bit better than McCann defensively in 2018, got 2/$19 from the Mets. I think it's a decent working number since there just have been quite few "middle of the road" catchers. I 100% believe it would be somewhere in between 2/15 and 2/19, and I really don't mind those prices even assuming non-all star offensive production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 4 hours ago, bmags said: I disagree. I think people are overthinking this. If McCann expects to be paid like an all star catcher then you don't extend, but he is likely not an idiot. he can guarantee extra years, get a bonus for next year, and sox can cement in place a veteran catcher his pitchers love and can mentor multiple young catchers in place. He's not going to get an extension of 3 years 60 million. Agree 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Balta1701 said: Would Wilson Ramos be a good comp here? Had a bad 2017 but was a 2018 All Star, hit free agency at age 31, a little bit better than McCann defensively in 2018, got 2/$19 from the Mets. I’m guessing something like 3/$25M gets it done with McCann. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarava Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 I was thinking something like 5/35. For a guy with one good half of baseball, that's a lot of guaranteed money. It might work for both sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 9 hours ago, bmags said: I disagree. I think people are overthinking this. If McCann expects to be paid like an all star catcher then you don't extend, but he is likely not an idiot. he can guarantee extra years, get a bonus for next year, and sox can cement in place a veteran catcher his pitchers love and can mentor multiple young catchers in place. He's not going to get an extension of 3 years 60 million. I just think that option is still there next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 $16M/2YR with a club or mutual option? If he keeps this up. He was DFA'd last year. Now he's an all-star. End result is likely somewhere in between. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, poppysox said: Six weeks ago it would have taken something like 3 years at 6 million per year. Now it might be about 3 years at 10 million per year. Soon your number will be spot on. This Is exactly what some of us were warning would happen. And if the Sox resign McCann for one year via salary arbitration, what will the extension money look like after half a season of him OPS’ing .750? You are making it sound like McCann is a lock to hit next year like he is now. I wouldn’t put my money on that bet. Edited July 11, 2019 by Moan4Yoan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 McCann is obviously due for some regression, but his xWOBA is still .345. For reference, league average across all positions is .318. And for comparison, here are the other All-Star catchers: Sánchez = .385, Grandal = .366, Contreras =. 354, & Realmuto = .353. The reality is he’s not that far off from Contreras & Realmuto with the bat even if his BABIP regresses to the mean. Outside of framing, he’s been everything you could ask for in a catcher, especially one that will continue to handle a lot of young arms. If you want to keep him around, the time to offer an extension is this coming offseason. Again, something like 3/$25M seems like a fair compromise. If he wants more, given his uncertainty with the bat, you quickly get to the point of pursuing Grandal and worrying what to do with James later. My guess is he quickly accepts that offer though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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