ChiSox59 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 Jump for joy. Honestly, I'd rather see Palka. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 I have a soft spot for Engel. Glad he's back and hope he can stick around. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 21 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: I have a soft spot for Engel. Glad he's back and hope he can stick around. I have a weak spot in my stomach for Engel. In fact... 🤮🤮🤮 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 yay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 Abreu must be thrilled with this news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: I have a soft spot for Engel. Glad he's back and hope he can stick around. I agree with you. A gold glove center fielder with speed has value. Steverson coaching him to hit .250 would show me something about our hitting coach. Edited July 19, 2019 by poppysox 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScootsMcGoots Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 10 minutes ago, SoxAce said: Abreu must be thrilled with this news. Was literally thinking this lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 1 minute ago, poppysox said: I agree with you. A gold glove center fielder with speed has value. Steverson coaching him to hit .250 would show me something about are hitting coach. He is a tremendous defensive outfielder. If only MLB had the rule where you could steal first base, the man of steal would see his OBP skyrocket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southwest Sider Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 Barf. Hasn't this guy been given enough plate appearances? If he has shown he has the propensity to hit just enough, he'd probably be an adequate player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 (edited) career wRC+ of 56. You just shake your head at how paper thin the Sox system still is in many ways. He's literally below replacement and we don't even have a better AAAA CF. I'll say this the viewing season is pretty much over for me until TA and Eloy are back and perhaps Robert is brought up. I have ZERO interest in watching Reed, Engel, Yolmer and Cordell go 1-20 on a good night. Edited July 19, 2019 by chitownsportsfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 Why? No reason too see him again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrad Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: I have a soft spot for Engel. Glad he's back and hope he can stick around. I am with you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 1 minute ago, whitesoxbrad said: I am with you I got a soft stool for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba phillips Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 1 hour ago, wegner said: He is a tremendous defensive outfielder. If only MLB had the rule where you could steal first base, the man of steal would see his OBP skyrocket. A better rule would be: just like in football, an offense and a defense. Under this rule, he would never bat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonxctf Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 With this pitching staff, having some quality defense can't hurt. Cease's last start would have been much different, if he had plays made behind him. That does mean something in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 19 minutes ago, bubba phillips said: A better rule would be: just like in football, an offense and a defense. Under this rule, he would never bat. How about multiple DHs for anyone who is only good defensively? That might help the future White Sox with all the possible DH options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 1 hour ago, poppysox said: I agree with you. A gold glove center fielder with speed has value. Steverson coaching him to hit .250 would show me something about our hitting coach. I feel like we heard this for about five years in regards to Brian Anderson....Torii Hunter Lite, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 Why is he an improvement over Tilson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 1 minute ago, oldsox said: Why is he an improvement over Tilson? Better fielder & more natural power. Still have hope that one of them develop into someone useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 1 hour ago, bubba phillips said: A better rule would be: just like in football, an offense and a defense. Under this rule, he would never bat. If baseball executives keep jerking around with the game we will probably see this soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 17 hours ago, oldsox said: Why is he an improvement over Tilson? Better hitter, better defender, more talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 3 hours ago, GreenSox said: Better hitter, better defender, more talent. A month ago I would have argued with you; after last night's game, you are right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, oldsox said: A month ago I would have argued with you; after last night's game, you are right. Tilson had an OPS under .600 and doesn't play compelling D. That's not close to 25 worthy on a bad team. If Engel could get his OPS to .700, that's a real win and makes him a 4th OF. If he can exceed .760, which would be a miracle (but he does have skills), that makes him a legit player. Edited July 20, 2019 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, GreenSox said: Tilson had an OPS under .600 and doesn't play compelling D. That's not close to 25 worthy on a bad team. If Engel could get his OPS to .700, that's a real win and makes him a 4th OF. If he can exceed .760, which would be a miracle (but he does have skills), that makes him a legit player. The problem, like Palka or Collins...is Engel doesn’t have the type of swing where he can be successful only playing once or twice a week. Defensive replacement and PR, great. But he’s just replicating Leury in many ways without the positional flexibility. Of course, his one huge advantage is defense, where he can run circles around our current roster of OFers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 20, 2019 Share Posted July 20, 2019 9 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: The problem, like Palka or Collins...is Engel doesn’t have the type of swing where he can be successful only playing once or twice a week. Defensive replacement and PR, great. But he’s just replicating Leury in many ways without the positional flexibility. Of course, his one huge advantage is defense, where he can run circles around our current roster of OFers. He's started over 250 games in CF and fangraphs has him like +3 runs over that time above average. As I've noted the trope of "Adam Engel elite defense" should be put to bed. He's a slightly above average defensive CF that can't hit his weight most months. He's a 26th man. He sucks. On a club with ANY ORG DEPTH AT ALL he'd have been cast aside long, long ago. It speaks to how incredible fucking dismal our situation was circa 2015 that he was a top 30 guy in the org. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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