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Free Agency - How confident are you?

The winter of our discontent   

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  1. 1. What do you think will REALLY happen this winter?

    • I'm confident they'll land a big fish (e.g. Cole)
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    • I'm confident they'll land a solid FA (e.g. Grandal) that actually makes an impact
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    • I think any FA signings will fall in the "decent" range
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    • I'm hoping beyond hope that the FO can get out of their own way and at least sign one person that's not crap
      35
    • This winter is going to be another pile of hot garbage
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34 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said:

I agree. But sometimes money talks. The Yankees may also want to splurge on Cole. 

They may well want to but they can pay for both.

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14 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

Poppy.......have you ever observed the Yankees and Dodgers in your life

Yep.  They have luxury tax issues and expensive people to keep happy.  I don't disagree that if they have an absolute need for a player they frequently are in the hunt.  I don't see the Yankees or Dodgers breaking the bank on Cole.  They will make really good offers and if he's our guy...beat those offers.  My preference would be Wheeler and Bumgarner but my point is we can afford anyone we want.

 

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Offer Cole a contract of 7 years for $250 right off the bat. Tell him we want to lock him up right away in an effort to attract other free agents. If he wants to shop around, he risks losing that offer while me make offers to the Wheelers of the world.

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19 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said:

Offer Cole a contract of 7 years for $250 right off the bat. Tell him we want to lock him up right away in an effort to attract other free agents. If he wants to shop around, he risks losing that offer while me make offers to the Wheelers of the world.

Honestly he would probably accept that in a heartbeat.

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37 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said:

Offer Cole a contract of 7 years for $250 right off the bat. Tell him we want to lock him up right away in an effort to attract other free agents. If he wants to shop around, he risks losing that offer while me make offers to the Wheelers of the world.

Well that's not how the Sox operate.

 

We will offer a deal that has quite the bounty of performance based bonuses that we will pitch against guaranteed offers that are longer and more lucrative.   We will then chase this guy hoping that he sees the future bucks are actually better than guaranteed money.   We will be razor focused in our pursuit.   Once he signs elsewhere Kenny will act shocked.   We will then go for a retread that had a pedigree and tell the fans to believe in the process.  

 

 

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49 minutes ago, southsideirish71 said:

Well that's not how the Sox operate.

 

We will offer a deal that has quite the bounty of performance based bonuses that we will pitch against guaranteed offers that are longer and more lucrative.   We will then chase this guy hoping that he sees the future bucks are actually better than guaranteed money.   We will be razor focused in our pursuit.   Once he signs elsewhere Kenny will act shocked.   We will then go for a retread that had a pedigree and tell the fans to believe in the process.  

 

 

I really can't think of a fanbase in baseball more cynical than White Sox fans. We're classically conditioned to always expect the worst case scenario with everything. 

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Ok, here is a guess of what the Sox will do this offseason.  I don't endorse the moves, just some uneducated guesses :D

Sign Abreu to a 2 year contract with a 3rd year option.

Try to extend Giolito and Moncada.

Sign Baumgarner and Odorizzi.

Sign Puig for RF.

Sign Justin Smoak to DH/1B

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1 hour ago, Jack Parkman said:

I really can't think of a fanbase in baseball more cynical than White Sox fans. We're classically conditioned to always expect the worst case scenario with everything. 

Yep. It probably has something to do with the amount of playoff appearances in the last 50 years. 

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3 hours ago, soxfan2014 said:

Honestly he would probably accept that in a heartbeat.

And that would be perfect for the Sox as they could focus the rest of their attention on position players and adding a back end starter or two.  You'd have a very solid 1,2 with Gio and Cole and then probably a decent 4th out of Kopech and Lopez (maybe a decent 3rd) and you'd need to fill in around but the Sox would have a clear idea where they stood early in FA with the roster.

That will never happen tho this franchise is not smart enough to realize that sometimes AAV relative to production isn't everything.

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1 hour ago, SonofaRoache said:

Yep. It probably has something to do with the amount of playoff appearances in the last 50 years. 

I don't blame anyone. Look at Twitter whenever there is an injury and you see the cynicism. Luis Robert had to take a crap and White Sox Twitter freaked out like he had a leg amputated or something. It really has been well earned. 

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3 hours ago, wegner said:

Ok, here is a guess of what the Sox will do this offseason.  I don't endorse the moves, just some uneducated guesses :D

Sign Abreu to a 2 year contract with a 3rd year option.

Try to extend Giolito and Moncada.

Sign Baumgarner and Odorizzi.

Sign Puig for RF.

Sign Justin Smoak to DH/1B

Ross is coming back from late 70's/early 80s'? 

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4 hours ago, wegner said:

Ok, here is a guess of what the Sox will do this offseason.  I don't endorse the moves, just some uneducated guesses :D

Sign Abreu to a 2 year contract with a 3rd year option.

Try to extend Giolito and Moncada.

Sign Baumgarner and Odorizzi.

Sign Puig for RF.

Sign Justin Smoak to DH/1B

Replace Smoak with Grandal and a couple of real good pen pieces … I can understand the moves.

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15 minutes ago, poppysox said:

Replace Smoak with Grandal and a couple of real good pen pieces … I can understand the moves.

$450~500 million making all those commitments (w/Grandal)... that includes roughly $300 million for Moncada and Giolito extensions.  $450 is probably way too low with just those two FA pitchers and Grandal, let alone Puig and bullpen help. 

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2 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

$450~500 million making all those commitments (w/Grandal)... that includes roughly $300 million for Moncada and Giolito extensions.  $450 is probably way too low with just those two FA pitchers and Grandal, let alone Puig and bullpen help. 

Around 130 million annually.  Not out of the question.  Winning creates lots of money.

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I would like to see Cole and Bumgarner + a RF like Ozuna or Castellanos.  

In reality we will see the following.

I think we will likely pick up Adam Jones for a 1 year deal to play RF.  Kenny has liked him for a while.  Kole Calhoun would be a better choice.   But Jones will be the guy.

Alex Wood + Odorizzi

 

 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, SonofaRoache said:

Yep. It probably has something to do with the amount of playoff appearances in the last 50 years. 

Ah, “playoff appearances”.  Now that takes me back some!

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47 minutes ago, southsideirish71 said:

I would like to see Cole and Bumgarner + a RF like Ozuna or Castellanos.  

In reality we will see the following.

I think we will likely pick up Adam Jones for a 1 year deal to play RF.  Kenny has liked him for a while.  Kole Calhoun would be a better choice.   But Jones will be the guy.

Alex Wood + Odorizzi

 

 

 

 

 

Calhoun is actually my guess for who RH will sign.  He and Grandal would make a lot of sense for adding some power from the left side.

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55 minutes ago, poppysox said:

Around 130 million annually.  Not out of the question.  Winning creates lots of money.

You are awfully optimistic, which of course, is in your nature. JR has always believed that winning creates overhead. But I hope you are right. It would be oh so great to see winning baseball on the South Side once more. 

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3 hours ago, poppysox said:

Calhoun is actually my guess for who RH will sign.  He and Grandal would make a lot of sense for adding some power from the left side.

Calhoun is mediocrity personified.  Just because he is better than what the Sox had in RF this year, why are some posters entertaining his potential signing like it would be a good one?!?  He is OPS’ing over .800 now but he’s .745 for his career.  For a corner OF who doesn’t play good defense, he doesn’t hit well enough either to make up for his weak glove.  He’s an awful target other than the fact than he’s a lefty bat.

.235 hitter right now.  He will be a cheaper Adam Dunn Lite here.  And he is turning 32 in a month.  Stay the hell away from this guy please.

The Sox could and should easily do better.

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5 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Ross is coming back from late 70's/early 80s'? 

Just looked up Ross Bumgarner on baseball reference.  It says he's living in Highland Park....give him an invite to spring training...nothing like another lefty to push Jace Fry a little 😁

That career era of 4.00 looks pretty good with all those inflated #s on our pitching staff.

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19 hours ago, chitownsportsfan said:

And that would be perfect for the Sox as they could focus the rest of their attention on position players and adding a back end starter or two.  You'd have a very solid 1,2 with Gio and Cole and then probably a decent 4th out of Kopech and Lopez (maybe a decent 3rd) and you'd need to fill in around but the Sox would have a clear idea where they stood early in FA with the roster.

That will never happen tho this franchise is not smart enough to realize that sometimes AAV relative to production isn't everything.

You left out Cease.

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4 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

You left out Cease.

I did but I think it's because he's a 5th starter next year.  Maybe he can take a step forward but I"m not counting on it.

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Ian Happ do anything for anyone?  He'll only be 25 next year, switch hitter with pop, plays everywhere.  He's positve WAR and young enough.  He would be cheap to obtain I'd think.

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