Harold's Leg Lift Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 The lack of consistent contact is/was an issue and it showed in his brief time in the bigs. An adjustment had to be made and I'm glad he made it. He looks like a much more dangerous hitter now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: The lack of consistent contact is/was an issue and it showed in his brief time in the bigs. An adjustment had to be made and I'm glad he made it. He looks like a much more dangerous hitter now. Absolutely, and that is why I was so down on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 39 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: As a baseball player I pray to god he's not trying to justify his minor league career by looking at his wRC+. What does this mean? You judge yourself vs your own expectations and how you are performing in comparison to your peers. Does that mean you aren't striving to be better? No, but it means you aren't going to make drastic uncomfortable changes and struggle just for the sake of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 14 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: The lack of consistent contact is/was an issue and it showed in his brief time in the bigs. An adjustment had to be made and I'm glad he made it. He looks like a much more dangerous hitter now. Sure, but changes are scary and you could get worse just as likely as getting better. When you start messing with what made you successful there is risk involved. There's zero point in taking that risk if you are succeeding. If he maintained a 130 wRC+ in the big leagues, he'd have been an incredibly successful hitter/catcher. The contact and approach issues at the big league level made him "bad" for his short stint and may have opened his eyes telling him that he wasn't going to survive and succeed at that level without being quicker. He could succeed every level prior without the change. That's the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Just read this whole thread. Holy hannah - some hot takes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Sure, but changes are scary and you could get worse just as likely as getting better. When you start messing with what made you successful there is risk involved. There's zero point in taking that risk if you are succeeding. If he maintained a 130 wRC+ in the big leagues, he'd have been an incredibly successful hitter/catcher. The contact and approach issues at the big league level made him "bad" for his short stint and may have opened his eyes telling him that he wasn't going to survive and succeed at that level without being quicker. He could succeed every level prior without the change. That's the point. I'm onboard with this. I think his cup of coffee was to see if his current approach would succeed or not. It obviously did not so he was sent back to work on what the team wanted him to do. That's paying off now but I'm assuming they want to see some sustained success and he'll be back up in Sept/next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 7 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Sure, but changes are scary and you could get worse just as likely as getting better. When you start messing with what made you successful there is risk involved. There's zero point in taking that risk if you are succeeding. If he maintained a 130 wRC+ in the big leagues, he'd have been an incredibly successful hitter/catcher. The contact and approach issues at the big league level made him "bad" for his short stint and may have opened his eyes telling him that he wasn't going to survive and succeed at that level without being quicker. He could succeed every level prior without the change. That's the point. We obviously define success differently which is fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Excellent info in Fegans latest on Collins swing change : https://theathletic.com/1112494/2019/08/02/luis-robert-nick-madrigal-and-zack-collins-search-for-purpose-in-triple-a-whether-its-there-or-not/ “But upon his return from Chicago, Collins not only reached out to set up work with Menechino, but was willing to quickly incorporate his recommended stance and hand placement changes, which might be uncomfortable for a while as he incorporates them midseason (though they’re made more comfortable by good early results). The larger goal seemed to be keeping Collins from leaning too hard into a strikeout-laden, three-true-outcomes identity that has come to define him.” small excerpt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 (edited) 59 minutes ago, almagest said: I'm onboard with this. I think his cup of coffee was to see if his current approach would succeed or not. It obviously did not so he was sent back to work on what the team wanted him to do. That's paying off now but I'm assuming they want to see some sustained success and he'll be back up in Sept/next year. Yes, at this point they would probably like to see consistency at a less challenging level to further build repetition and confidence with a new approach. This would also be why he hasn't been called up again and I'd understand that. Edited August 2, 2019 by Look at Ray Ray Run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 54 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: We obviously define success differently which is fine. Being 30% better than your peers in professional baseball is where Manny Macharo has spent his MLB career so yes... if that's not success then we do define it very differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 52 minutes ago, bmags said: Excellent info in Fegans latest on Collins swing change : https://theathletic.com/1112494/2019/08/02/luis-robert-nick-madrigal-and-zack-collins-search-for-purpose-in-triple-a-whether-its-there-or-not/ “But upon his return from Chicago, Collins not only reached out to set up work with Menechino, but was willing to quickly incorporate his recommended stance and hand placement changes, which might be uncomfortable for a while as he incorporates them midseason (though they’re made more comfortable by good early results). The larger goal seemed to be keeping Collins from leaning too hard into a strikeout-laden, three-true-outcomes identity that has come to define him.” small excerpt Fegan is great at what he does. Great to see him verify what I had seen with actual interviews and insider information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 1 hour ago, bmags said: Excellent info in Fegans latest on Collins swing change : https://theathletic.com/1112494/2019/08/02/luis-robert-nick-madrigal-and-zack-collins-search-for-purpose-in-triple-a-whether-its-there-or-not/ “But upon his return from Chicago, Collins not only reached out to set up work with Menechino, but was willing to quickly incorporate his recommended stance and hand placement changes, which might be uncomfortable for a while as he incorporates them midseason (though they’re made more comfortable by good early results). The larger goal seemed to be keeping Collins from leaning too hard into a strikeout-laden, three-true-outcomes identity that has come to define him.” small excerpt I love Madrigal's response to the Twitter trolls. “I started off slow in Winston-Salem,” Madrigal said. “There were a lot of people tweeting at me and a lot of commotion about getting off to a slow start and people worrying. Now I did all right in Birmingham and you don’t hear a lot of those people anymore. It’s kind of funny.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raBBit Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Bad MiLB gamethread! 5 pages should mean Robert went 4-5 with 3 XBH, Madrgial was 4-4 in his first game in AAA and Stiever went 7 scoreless with 11Ks. Keep the constant whining in PHT. Don't pollute the national parks!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 On 8/2/2019 at 1:04 PM, raBBit said: Bad MiLB gamethread! 5 pages should mean Robert went 4-5 with 3 XBH, Madrgial was 4-4 in his first game in AAA and Stiever went 7 scoreless with 11Ks. Keep the constant whining in PHT. Don't pollute the national parks!!! I am down with this as minor league players are not ML players and should be subject to less criticism since they are so young and development IS NOT linear. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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