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2 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

At this point any LH bat with pop that has any experience in the OF is an option especially if the contract isn't lengthy or very expensive. He put up some nice years before he got hurt. I'd consider him a very strong bounce back candidate.

I just feel he will sign as a sign and flip candidate with one of the many rebuilding teams as a 2B.

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3 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said:

I just feel he will sign as a sign and flip candidate with one of the many rebuilding teams as a 2B.

If Madrigal struggles he could be the starting 2nd baseman and he probably would be at the beginning of the season if healthy. There's also the chance of him starting in RF if his groin allows either. Surely that would be attractive to him. 1 year plus a team option.

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1 minute ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

If Madrigal struggles he could be the starting 2nd baseman and he probably would be at the beginning of the season if healthy. There's also the chance of him starting in RF if his groin allows either. Surely that would be attractive to him. 1 year plus a team option.

I don't know. 1 year as starting 2B possibly traded to contender to start is probably tempting.

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1 minute ago, soxfan2014 said:

I don't know. 1 year as starting 2B possibly traded to contender to start is probably tempting.

I won't argue about which option he'd rather take. I mean at this point he should take the most money that will also allow some freedom should he bounce back .

 

 

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As I said in one of the Machado threads, he’s still got some work to do to hit 3 fWAR this season. Currently sitting at 2.6 and his wRC+ is down to 107, along with an OPS of below 800. If the Sox had signed this guy, people would be ripping Hahn right now.

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On 9/10/2019 at 2:58 PM, Jack Parkman said:

I agree, but I think they might pull the trigger if it doesn't progress far enough quickly enough going forward. If it gets through 2021 with no playoffs I think Hahn gets whacked. 

JR  doesn't whack his loyalist employees.  He promotes them.

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1 hour ago, Flash said:

Machado hitting .259 w/.795 OPS. Still like him but it appears we may have dodged a bullet.

His shitty attitude screamed red flags. He just seems like the type of guy to get a deal, stop caring and get fat. He has yet to get fat though. 

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1 hour ago, TaylorStSox said:

His shitty attitude screamed red flags. He just seems like the type of guy to get a deal, stop caring and get fat. He has yet to get fat though. 

Yep. Been saying this for nearly a year now and he has yet to prove me wrong. I wouldn’t take this guy and his salary on even if the Padres gave him to the Sox for no player in return. His contract carries negative value imo. It will be an interesting comparison in future years seeing how the Padres approach to their rebuild compares to the Sox. They’ve had a stronger/deeper farm system over the past few years. Yet, will the mega signings of Hosmer and Machado act as anchors that ultimately limit their potential and result in less success than the Sox over the next 5 years, a team that has preserved their financial flexibility to this point in the rebuild?

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2 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

Yep. Been saying this for nearly a year now and he has yet to prove me wrong. I wouldn’t take this guy and his salary on even if the Padres gave him to the Sox for no player in return. His contract carries negative value imo. It will be an interesting comparison in future years seeing how the Padres approach to their rebuild compares to the Sox. They’ve had a stronger/deeper farm system over the past few years but will the mega signings of Hosmer and Machado ultimately limit their potential and result in less success than the Sox over the next 5 years?

I think you are right on the money with this post.

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3 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

Yep. Been saying this for nearly a year now and he has yet to prove me wrong. I wouldn’t take this guy and his salary on even if the Padres gave him to the Sox for no player in return. His contract carries negative value imo. It will be an interesting comparison in future years seeing how the Padres approach to their rebuild compares to the Sox. They’ve had a stronger/deeper farm system over the past few years. Yet, will the mega signings of Hosmer and Machado act as anchors that ultimately limit their potential and result in less success than the Sox over the next 5 years, a team that has preserved their financial flexibility to this point in the rebuild?

Apples and oranges having the Dodgers in the same division.

They’re basically even (organizationally) right now, because they have the prospect depth remaining to get nearly anyone whereas the White Sox have the financial flexibility...but the Wild Card is the only realistic possibility for 2020 and probably 2021 as well.

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43 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Apples and oranges having the Dodgers in the same division.

They’re basically even (organizationally) right now, because they have the prospect depth remaining to get nearly anyone whereas the White Sox have the financial flexibility...but the Wild Card is the only realistic possibility for 2020 and probably 2021 as well.

The Dodgers are tough but by no means unbeatable. They only won 92 games during 2018 and the Rockies finished 1 game behind them. A couple of injuries here and there and some breakouts from your guys and you can challenge them, but you have to do it well. 

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17 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Apples and oranges having the Dodgers in the same division.

They’re basically even (organizationally) right now, because they have the prospect depth remaining to get nearly anyone whereas the White Sox have the financial flexibility...but the Wild Card is the only realistic possibility for 2020 and probably 2021 as well.

Overcoming an annual expenditure of $50M between two players (Hosmer and Machado) that combine to produce 2-3 fWAR annually is not an easy task for a mid market team like the Padres.

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29 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

Overcoming an annual expenditure of $50M between two players (Hosmer and Machado) that combine to produce 2-3 fWAR annually is not an easy task for a mid market team like the Padres.

It's an impossible burden and the reason I say we dodged a bullet with Machado and Harper.

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On 9/11/2019 at 5:41 PM, Jack Parkman said:

There's no way in hell Stanton is opting out of that contract. He'll never get anything close to it again. Do you think Stanton can beat 8/218 on the open market? I don't even think he'd get $200M. Hell I'm not even sure he'd get more than 5/150 if he opts out. 

Depends on how much you think he would want to play for a sad sack organization like the white Sox. Don’t forget he suffered in Miami for years under a horrible owner. 

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3 hours ago, poppysox said:

It's an impossible burden and the reason I say we dodged a bullet with Machado and Harper.

I wouldn’t say impossible but it certainly makes things much more difficult. They are going to need insane production from their farm system to make it work with their assumed payroll constraints. Hosmer/Machado will likely account for 35-45% of their team payroll over the next several years. That’s a big number.

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On 9/12/2019 at 7:11 AM, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

As I said in one of the Machado threads, he’s still got some work to do to hit 3 fWAR this season. Currently sitting at 2.6 and his wRC+ is down to 107, along with an OPS of below 800. If the Sox had signed this guy, people would be ripping Hahn right now.

Ya think. 🙂

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On 9/12/2019 at 6:11 AM, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

As I said in one of the Machado threads, he’s still got some work to do to hit 3 fWAR this season. Currently sitting at 2.6 and his wRC+ is down to 107, along with an OPS of below 800. If the Sox had signed this guy, people would be ripping Hahn right now.

I said it right after the Padres signed him...but Machado chose the wrong home park to play in. Petco is heavily supressing his numbers. He's got a .359 wOBA on the road and a .303 wOBA at home. I said I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up with a .340 wOBA this year and it's looking like he'll do even worse than that.

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2 minutes ago, chw42 said:

I said it right after the Padres signed him...but Machado chose the wrong home park to play in. Petco is heavily supressing his numbers. He's got a .359 wOBA on the road and a .303 wOBA at home. I said I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up with a .340 wOBA this year and it's looking like he'll do even worse than that.

He chose the home park of the team who offered him the most money. Can't blame him for that. But I do agree that his stats would probably look a lot better if he signed with the Sox and played half his games in a hitter's park.

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The fact that Yoan's got twice the amount of fWAR as Machado does make me feel great though.

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2 minutes ago, chw42 said:

The fact that Yoan's got twice the amount of fWAR as Machado does make me feel great though.

The Sox not getting Machado will probably end up being a blessing in disguise. But still, there was no reason for the Sox not to sign him at the time and they better spend the money they were planning on giving him on a stud pitcher this offseason. They can't sit on the sidelines anymore. It's time to put a winning team on the field.

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36 minutes ago, chw42 said:

The fact that Yoan's got twice the amount of fWAR as Machado does make me feel great though.

Machado at 3B and Moncada at 2B or the OF seems a lot better choice than what they have. 

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7 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

Machado at 3B and Moncada at 2B or the OF seems a lot better choice than what they have. 

This is only true if Madrigal flops.

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