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43 minutes ago, poppysox said:

I believe Hibbard was referring to offensive players...and his primary point is that Jose has been better "decent."  You are correct that Ventura was omitted from his original recollection of our elite long term hitters.

Yes, obviously I meant offensive players. And I did forget Ventura :(

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At this point, do you just offer him the qualifying offer? Assuming it is ~18m. He has played himself into a better contract than previously thought. If he accepts, you have him at least another year at a not so bad cost. He declines, you get draft lick compensation. This is assuming a team doesn't wait to sign him

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6 hours ago, ron883 said:

At this point, do you just offer him the qualifying offer? Assuming it is ~18m. He has played himself into a better contract than previously thought. If he accepts, you have him at least another year at a not so bad cost. He declines, you get draft lick compensation. This is assuming a team doesn't wait to sign him

What about the part where the White Sox want him for more than just one year, at this point?

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6 hours ago, ron883 said:

At this point, do you just offer him the qualifying offer? Assuming it is ~18m. He has played himself into a better contract than previously thought. If he accepts, you have him at least another year at a not so bad cost. He declines, you get draft lick compensation. This is assuming a team doesn't wait to sign him

You know what? That's not a bad suggestion and I hadn't thought about it.

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14 minutes ago, Thad Bosley said:

What about the part where the White Sox want him for more than just one year, at this point?

This is a great idea.  You get him on your terms for one year, albeit probably at a slightly higher salary for the year.  But if Abreu wants more years, you get a pick.  Unfortunately, I think the Sox respect Abreu too much to pigeonhole him like this.  It would be a great baseball/business move however.

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1 hour ago, Thad Bosley said:

What about the part where the White Sox want him for more than just one year, at this point?

After his hot streak. He wasn't worth the QO earlier in the season. It's still debatable if he is honestly. 

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1 hour ago, Moan4Yoan said:

This is a great idea.  You get him on your terms for one year, albeit probably at a slightly higher salary for the year.  But if Abreu wants more years, you get a pick.  Unfortunately, I think the Sox respect Abreu too much to pigeonhole him like this.  It would be a great baseball/business move however.

That's what I'm afraid of. There's a chance he doesn't get signed until midseason like Kimbrel and Keuchel. He might not be worth losing the draft pick to teams. 

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51 minutes ago, ron883 said:

That's what I'm afraid of. There's a chance he doesn't get signed until midseason like Kimbrel and Keuchel. He might not be worth losing the draft pick to teams. 

I don't think he would get offered a QO. If he is offered a QO, 1 of 2 things happens: 1. he accepts or 2. he rejects and re-signs for less than the QO on a one or two year deal.  No team is going to give up draft pick for him.

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2 hours ago, Moan4Yoan said:

 I think the Sox respect Abreu too much ...

...which is why they are going to make him a White Sox for life at this point, however way that turns out to be.  You may as well get use to it.  

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1 hour ago, ron883 said:

That's what I'm afraid of. There's a chance he doesn't get signed until midseason like Kimbrel and Keuchel. He might not be worth losing the draft pick to teams. 

Those situations only happened because the teams that those players left didn't want them back or were up against the tax and couldn't bring them back.  The White Sox can totally bring Abreu back if they want to; him turning down the offer makes it far less likely that he'd sign elsewhere.

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19 minutes ago, Thad Bosley said:

...which is why they are going to make him a White Sox for life at this point, however way that turns out to be.  You may as well get use to it.  

This has to be the most ironic/hypocritical post I've seen in a while on here.  The poster who has been making daily complaints for years about ownership tells someone to "get used to it".

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16 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Those situations only happened because the teams that those players left didn't want them back or were up against the tax and couldn't bring them back.  The White Sox can totally bring Abreu back if they want to; him turning down the offer makes it far less likely that he'd sign elsewhere.

I'm thinking moreso if they decide to give Jose a qualifying offer in hopes that he declines. Does any team sign him at the expense of a draft pick? You sign Castellanos instead and get a draft pick on top of it 

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Just now, ron883 said:

I'm thinking moreso if they decide to give Jose a qualifying offer in hopes that he declines. Does any team sign him at the expense of a draft pick? You sign Castellanos instead and get a draft pick on top of it 

IMO, no, very good chance he's stuck on the market until midseason if he turns down a QO and doesn't sign with the White Sox. 

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I don't see any way the Sox offer him a QO.  He's probably going to get a 3 year deal which would be insanely stupid.  Give him a 2 year deal with a club option for the second to give the team some flexibility.

Whatever they decide to do I really hope they explore JDM before signing Abreu back.  

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3 hours ago, Balta1701 said:

You know what? That's not a bad suggestion and I hadn't thought about it.

That's a bad idea because the draft pick is fool's gold and that AAV is 200% too high even at 1 year.  Teams will just wait like they did this year until after the draft to sign him.  And Jose and his agent know that.

Oh, I see you just posted that as a follow up.

This is the most obvious team friendly low ball scenario imaginable.  Offer him 1 year, 1 option year.  AAV around 9-11 million.  He won't get better than that on the open market.  

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38 days after Ron did a victory lap while dancing on Jose’s grave and essentially called him utterly worthless, he now comes back with Jose is worth maybe 18 million dollars next year. 

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2 hours ago, soxfan2014 said:

I don't think he would get offered a QO. If he is offered a QO, 1 of 2 things happens: 1. he accepts or 2. he rejects and re-signs for less than the QO on a one or two year deal.  No team is going to give up draft pick for him.

100% agree.

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1 hour ago, Leonard Zelig said:

This has to be the most ironic/hypocritical post I've seen in a while on here.  The poster who has been making daily complaints for years about ownership tells someone to "get used to it".

Lol - you need to brush up on your understanding of what the words irony and hypocrisy mean, because your post makes no sense.    

What is either ironic or hypocritical of me suggesting people get used to the idea that the owner is very likely to make Abreu a White Sox for life, and my spot-on overall assessment of the owner's abysmal record over the past four decades?  If anything, my suggestion about how Abreu will be handled is tethered to how the owner typically approaches those he chooses to be loyal to.  

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I could see 2x12 plus option. Wondering how JDM player option works with a trade and affects his value. 

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9 hours ago, Thad Bosley said:

Lol - you need to brush up on your understanding of what the words irony and hypocrisy mean, because your post makes no sense.    

What is either ironic or hypocritical of me suggesting people get used to the idea that the owner is very likely to make Abreu a White Sox for life, and my spot-on overall assessment of the owner's abysmal record over the past four decades?  If anything, my suggestion about how Abreu will be handled is tethered to how the owner typically approaches those he chooses to be loyal to.  

Except your post didn’t mention anything you just claimed that you suggested.  

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12 hours ago, Leonard Zelig said:

Except your post didn’t mention anything you just claimed that you suggested.  

Oh, Lenny.  What are you doing here.  Trying to stir up trouble where none exists. 

All I said in my original post, to which you recklessly then started accusing me of irony and hypocrisy, was that fans should get used to the fact that Abreu will be a Sox for life due to how the Sox seemingly feel about him.

That’s it, that’s all I said.  Did I explicitly reference the owner’s well-known loyalty program to back up my statement?  No, but I didn’t think that necessary.  Would seem that would be obvious to the kind of diehard fans who frequent this site.  

But now that I know you’re lurking and trying to have a “Gotcha!” moment with me, I’ll be sure to spell it out in more detail the next go around. 

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12 hours ago, Thad Bosley said:

Oh, Lenny.  What are you doing here.  Trying to stir up trouble where none exists. 

All I said in my original post, to which you recklessly then started accusing me of irony and hypocrisy, was that fans should get used to the fact that Abreu will be a Sox for life due to how the Sox seemingly feel about him.

That’s it, that’s all I said.  Did I explicitly reference the owner’s well-known loyalty program to back up my statement?  No, but I didn’t think that necessary.  Would seem that would be obvious to the kind of diehard fans who frequent this site.  

But now that I know you’re lurking and trying to have a “Gotcha!” moment with me, I’ll be sure to spell it out in more detail the next go around. 

Ok man, but if you’re going to suggest somebody get used to something, then maybe you should take your own advice.  You know this isn’t the first time you’ve been called out on that. 

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6 hours ago, Leonard Zelig said:

Ok man, but if you’re going to suggest somebody get used to something, then maybe you should take your own advice.  You know this isn’t the first time you’ve been called out on that. 

Stop trying to stir up trouble, Lenny.  It’s not cute.  

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