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4 minutes ago, soxfan49 said:

Of course, but in my hypothetical it was that the offense is good or really good. Why not use that money for pitching?

I think the offense will be much better with the additions of Robert and Madrigal but they should still have enough money for both a RF and pitching and it will be a disappointment if they don’t acquire both.  Their payroll will be minuscule going into the offseason.

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6 minutes ago, soxfan49 said:

And I didn't even mean the Sox. Look all over the league. High picks bust regularly.

 

Of course, but in my hypothetical it was that the offense is good or really good. Why not use that money for pitching?

With all the volatility surrounding Cease, Lopez and Kopech (not to mention Dunning)...you have to invest in ONE really solid veteran and hold the rest of your fire for 2021 (DH or RF if needed/rotation/bullpen).

That also provides Walker, Adolfo, Gonzalez, Basabe and Rutherford one more season to prove themselves.  You'd THINK you could get at least ONE 1.5-2.0fWAR line out of that group. 

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35 minutes ago, soxfan49 said:

And I didn't even mean the Sox. Look all over the league. High picks bust regularly.

Gee, this is what I was saying when I got in all that trouble for being a troublemaking "troll." When I argue against caring about the draft. I was told by so many that we're supposed to lose games for the beloved draft.

My position that draft picks bust and the draft is a crapshoot was not a popular stance. it was "lose, lose, lose" and by gosh greg why can't you see why we want to lose games!"

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6 minutes ago, greg775 said:

Gee, this is what I was saying when I got in all that trouble for being a troublemaking "troll." When I argue against caring about the draft. I was told by so many that we're supposed to lose games for the beloved draft.

My position that draft picks bust and the draft is a crapshoot was not a popular stance. it was "lose, lose, lose" and by gosh greg why can't you see why we want to lose games!"

Just because a lot of guys bust doesn't mean you don't want the opportunity. Odds are you'll find betters players higher than lower. That's why. 

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I'd rather they sign a Cole or Strasburg (assuming opt-out) than give overpay Ozuna who isn't a RF (yes, I realize they can afford to sign 2 huge deals...but come on).

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9 hours ago, soxfan49 said:

Just because a lot of guys bust doesn't mean you don't want the opportunity. Odds are you'll find betters players higher than lower. That's why. 

Our No. 1 picks aren't always great ones and that's a tenet of the tank. To get guys at No. 10 and from what people are saying on here, Collins isn't exactly a prime prospect. Although I'd make him starter next year and see what we got. He's ready. And aside from all the hype earned by McCann from his great start ... if Jose had this type of second half we'd be screaming loudly to get rid of him. The built in excuse for McCann is he's tired cause it's difficult to catch. Just play Collins and forgetaboutit for a while.

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48 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said:

I'd rather they sign a Cole or Strasburg (assuming opt-out) than give overpay Ozuna who isn't a RF (yes, I realize they can afford to sign 2 huge deals...but come on).

I just have a hard time believing that Steven Strasburg would come to the White Sox. Gerrit Cole is a pipe dream.

I think the White Sox would have to outbid potential suitors by a country mile to get them to come here and I just don't see JR approving that.

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Just now, chetkincaid said:

I just have a hard time believing that Steven Strasburg would come to the White Sox. Gerrit Cole is a pipe dream.

I think the White Sox would have to outbid potential suitors by a country mile to get them to come here and I just don't see JR approving that.

I know people say this about just about every star, but by how much do they need to outbid a team? It is tough for guys to turn down the highest offer. A lot of it is an ego thing too. Like "I got paid more than this guy."

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3 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said:

I know people say this about just about every star, but by how much do they need to outbid a team? It is tough for guys to turn down the highest offer. A lot of it is an ego thing too. Like "I got paid more than this guy."

It's a total bullshit excuse. Give the most money, get the star 95% of the time. 

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6 minutes ago, mqr said:

It's a total bullshit excuse. Give the most money, get the star 95% of the time. 

Wait, you don’t think players don’t want to play for the Sox? The most $ has to be by a significant margin to get us a great player imo...it’s not a matter of bidding a couple million more. 

 

Or we could really just sum it up by saying we are never signing a top free agent like Cole. Just like we were never serious contenders for Harper or Machado 

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3 minutes ago, TheFutureIsNear said:

Wait, you don’t think players don’t want to play for the Sox? The most $ has to be by a significant margin to get us a great player imo...it’s not a matter of bidding a couple million more. 

 

Or we could really just sum it up by saying we are never signing a top free agent like Cole. Just like we were never serious contenders for Harper or Machado 

I think the overwhelming majority of players want to play where they get the best deal. Full stop. Everything else is posturing.

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I am going to continue to beat the drum for Zobrist on a one year deal with a team option as our RF next year:  switch hits, high obp, low K, may be rejuvenated after most of the year off, veteran leadership and movable should a minor league OF develop.  He can bat leadoff and played 100+ games as a corner OF last year.

Get Wheeler as a front end starter as your big(ish) signing.  Sign Cole Hammels for the back end on a one year.

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2 hours ago, mqr said:

I think the overwhelming majority of players want to play where they get the best deal. Full stop. Everything else is posturing.

But again. Best deal...by a large margin. All things close to equal and the Sox are not signing star players that have several other suitors 

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1 hour ago, Superstar Lamar said:

I am going to continue to beat the drum for Zobrist on a one year deal with a team option as our RF next year:  switch hits, high obp, low K, may be rejuvenated after most of the year off, veteran leadership and movable should a minor league OF develop.  He can bat leadoff and played 100+ games as a corner OF last year.

Get Wheeler as a front end starter as your big(ish) signing.  Sign Cole Hammels for the back end on a one year.

Zobrist turns 39 next May and gets about 10 mill a year. I'd think our posters concerned about Jose would have a major problem over this one.

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2 hours ago, Superstar Lamar said:

I am going to continue to beat the drum for Zobrist on a one year deal with a team option as our RF next year:  switch hits, high obp, low K, may be rejuvenated after most of the year off, veteran leadership and movable should a minor league OF develop.  He can bat leadoff and played 100+ games as a corner OF last year.

Get Wheeler as a front end starter as your big(ish) signing.  Sign Cole Hammels for the back end on a one year.

He may not even want to play next season.

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5 hours ago, SmashROT said:

When are we winning? Can we win in 2020 please? That'd be great...

Not to worry...Rick is working on it as we speak.

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2 hours ago, soxfan2014 said:

He may not even want to play next season.

Maybe.

He sounded like he would in the right situation in the quotes from him in today's Tribune.  He said he feels great and thinks he has more baseball in him.  I would imagine being able to stay in Chicago would be attractive to him. 

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I see Nimmo mentioned a lot and as far as LH batters go I'm not sure he has the hit tool yet to to be effective. I know his OBP is very good considering how little he hits and he is a free agent in 2023.

But just for arguments sake I've been doing a little research on Jeff McNeil. He's kind of an under the radar star if it's possible to make the All Star team and play in NY and still be under the radar.

He also is kind of the LH version of Madrigal only with more pop in that he hates to strikeout. He's going to finish with 5+ WAR and isn't a free agent til 2025 but he is a year older than Nimmo . He was a 12th round pick  and had a long journey through the minors for anyone who might be growing impatient with our OF prospects.

I know the Mets aren't likely to trade him but I'd love him on the same team with Madrigal. Plus he''s versatile. He's played the majority of his games in LF and RF but also plays 2nd base and 3rd base. If there's one guy in baseball I'd want to trade for who seems like a realistical choice it's him.

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I still think the Nimmo idea is a good one since he was obviously affected by a bulging disc in his neck for much of the season and can be a good player going forward. Guess I'd be talking to the Mets a lot this off season. He'd be a very good lead off hitter .

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The problem is McNeil's a lot like Whit Merrifield or Zobrist when he was on the Rays, more valuable to the Mets than almost anyone else.

I think the second factor is that without his high profile pedigree, not unlike Reynolds on the Pirates, it's going to take another season (or at least 3-4 months) of repeated success before other teams are willing to buy into his success and pay a premium prospect price in terms of any acquisition.

With Nimmo, exactly which version are you paying for?  Was his one strong MLB season an anomaly?   How much of his non-performance in other seasons can be blamed on injuries?

 

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7 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

I see Nimmo mentioned a lot and as far as LH batters go I'm not sure he has the hit tool yet to to be effective. I know his OBP is very good considering how little he hits and he is a free agent in 2023.

But just for arguments sake I've been doing a little research on Jeff McNeil. He's kind of an under the radar star if it's possible to make the All Star team and play in NY and still be under the radar.

He also is kind of the LH version of Madrigal only with more pop in that he hates to strikeout. He's going to finish with 5+ WAR and isn't a free agent til 2025 but he is a year older than Nimmo . He was a 12th round pick  and had a long journey through the minors for anyone who might be growing impatient with our OF prospects.

I know the Mets aren't likely to trade him but I'd love him on the same team with Madrigal. Plus he''s versatile. He's played the majority of his games in LF and RF but also plays 2nd base and 3rd base. If there's one guy in baseball I'd want to trade for who seems like a realistical choice it's him.

You are correct , but the met' s will never trade him.

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7 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

I see Nimmo mentioned a lot and as far as LH batters go I'm not sure he has the hit tool yet to to be effective. I know his OBP is very good considering how little he hits and he is a free agent in 2023.

But just for arguments sake I've been doing a little research on Jeff McNeil. He's kind of an under the radar star if it's possible to make the All Star team and play in NY and still be under the radar.

He also is kind of the LH version of Madrigal only with more pop in that he hates to strikeout. He's going to finish with 5+ WAR and isn't a free agent til 2025 but he is a year older than Nimmo . He was a 12th round pick  and had a long journey through the minors for anyone who might be growing impatient with our OF prospects.

I know the Mets aren't likely to trade him but I'd love him on the same team with Madrigal. Plus he''s versatile. He's played the majority of his games in LF and RF but also plays 2nd base and 3rd base. If there's one guy in baseball I'd want to trade for who seems like a realistical choice it's him.

What would you propose trading for him?  4+ win players with five years of control don’t come cheap.

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8 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

The problem is McNeil's a lot like Whit Merrifield or Zobrist when he was on the Rays, more valuable to the Mets than almost anyone else.

I think the second factor is that without his high profile pedigree, not unlike Reynolds on the Pirates, it's going to take another season (or at least 3-4 months) of repeated success before other teams are willing to buy into his success and pay a premium prospect price in terms of any acquisition.

With Nimmo, exactly which version are you paying for?  Was his one strong MLB season an anomaly?   How much of his non-performance in other seasons can be blamed on injuries?

 

That's the whole point of trying to acquire him now. Being a 12th rounder and having a long journey through the minors might discourage a few teams but it shouldn't the Sox . He''ll be cheap for more years than Nimmo. He's going to be 28 in April yet won't be  FA til 2025. Nimmo while an on base machine doesn't even hit as well as Engel. It's great having OBP guys but on a championship caliber team not likely a starter. Would you want him pinch hitting when you need a hit ? I wouldn't .

Acquiring talented versatile guys like McNeil, Gennett ( IF, OF), Holt (2nd, 3rd, OF ) . Moustakas 2nd, 3rd ,1st ) or even Howie Kendrick (LF 2nd, 1st) gives you so many options in case of injuries and upgrades  RF, 2nd, 3rd and 1st base depth.

If the Sox can hit on a few FA targets like a quality starting pitcher and a few of the pieces i mentioned or Grandal I'd make some serious inquiries into McNeil because at that point you could trade someone like Vaughn. Call the Mets and ask what they want for him , then tell the Mets to call you back or you'll get back to them should they decide to move him, go after your free agent targets but not RF yet, let that market develop , hit on the important free agent targets , then get back to the Mets about McNeil.

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3 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

What would you propose trading for him?  4+ win players with five years of control don’t come cheap.

That's not really my job to try to figure out but I outlined a plan in the post above this one. They might not come cheap but he's not exactly a youngster so his years of control mean less and as a 12th round pick maybe the Mets undervalue him. If everything went according to my plan above . Hey I'd like any one of Nimmo FA 2023 Conforto FA 2022 or McNeil FA 2025.

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