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6 minutes ago, Tony said:

Ozuna for RF scares me. He has 9 games started in RF since 2016, and a TERRIBLE arm. 

Again, I know the options aren't great, and I believe the Sox like Ozuna, but it worries me. 

I am ok with a stopgap in RF as well, I would have no issues doing both Moustakas and Calhoun or Moustakas and Puig and seeing what develops at those positions over the next season (Hell, maybe we're even in a position to make a run at Betts or Springer in 2020 if we have a good year), and letting the young guys fill out the rest of the offense. But we aren't going to have a 5 man rotation out of this organization in the next 2 years, and the guys we do have will likely need some development work. 2 true top of the rotation starters are likely available this offseason, that's where we should do the big signing this year. 

Oh, and count me in on Will Smith also. 

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12 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

I am ok with a stopgap in RF as well, I would have no issues doing both Moustakas and Calhoun or Moustakas and Puig and seeing what develops at those positions over the next season (Hell, maybe we're even in a position to make a run at Betts or Springer in 2020 if we have a good year), and letting the young guys fill out the rest of the offense. But we aren't going to have a 5 man rotation out of this organization in the next 2 years, and the guys we do have will likely need some development work. 2 true top of the rotation starters are likely available this offseason, that's where we should do the big signing this year. 

Oh, and count me in on Will Smith also. 

You and I see eye to eye on this one. Cole and Gardner are my preferred stop gaps.

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3 hours ago, Balta1701 said:

I am ok with a stopgap in RF as well, I would have no issues doing both Moustakas and Calhoun or Moustakas and Puig and seeing what develops at those positions over the next season (Hell, maybe we're even in a position to make a run at Betts or Springer in 2020 if we have a good year), and letting the young guys fill out the rest of the offense. But we aren't going to have a 5 man rotation out of this organization in the next 2 years, and the guys we do have will likely need some development work. 2 true top of the rotation starters are likely available this offseason, that's where we should do the big signing this year. 

Oh, and count me in on Will Smith also. 

I agree...the two best starting pitchers we can get is priority #1.

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3 hours ago, ChiSox59 said:

Maybe if we sign say Ozuna in RF and Strasburg as a SP, a cheaper DH alternative like Moustakas who can also be deployed around the IF wouldn't be a terrible option.  

Well yeah, that would be totally fine (depending on the health of Ozuna’s arm) but need to make sure land one or two high impact players.

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33 minutes ago, Black_Jack29 said:

Isn't Ozuna a Boras client as well? If so, you can probably cross both him and JDM off the list.

No, you can’t and shouldn’t. 

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3 minutes ago, Tony said:

No, you can’t and shouldn’t. 

So the Sox are doing business with Scott Boras now? That would be quite a break from their past practices.

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3 minutes ago, Black_Jack29 said:

So the Sox are doing business with Scott Boras now? That would be quite a break from their past practices.

If they really want a player he reps and are serious about obtaining his services, yes.

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1 minute ago, Tony said:

If they really want a player he reps and are serious about obtaining his services, yes.

I'm not saying that they shouldn't talk to Boras. I'm saying that they generally don't do business with Boras, and that people shouldn't realistically expect the Sox to sign any of his clients.

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Man Ozuna and Stras are a good player and a great player but I would be very apprehensive of that haul being very productive moving forward.

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2 minutes ago, Black_Jack29 said:

I'm not saying that they shouldn't talk to Boras. I'm saying that they generally don't do business with Boras, and that people shouldn't realistically expect the Sox to sign any of his clients.

I understand what you’re saying, and I’m telling you that won’t be an issue. 

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3 minutes ago, Black_Jack29 said:

Based on what?

Things I know. 

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3 minutes ago, Black_Jack29 said:

I don't see it, but if the Sox sign either of those guys this winter, I'll be sure to give you props.

I’m not saying they are going to sign either guy. I’m saying their agent being Scott Boras isn’t going to stop the Sox from pursuing them. 

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2 hours ago, Tony said:

I’m not saying they are going to sign either guy. I’m saying their agent being Scott Boras isn’t going to stop the Sox from pursuing them. 

I believe this is how it should be approached. Whatever beef they had like 15 years ago shouldn't matter anymore. The man represents a lot of the top talent that the MLB has to offer for a reason. Balking at negotiating with him only does a disservice to your team. If they intend to be serious about taking the next step, this is something that the FO has to get over. 

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49 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said:

I believe this is how it should be approached. Whatever beef they had like 15 years ago shouldn't matter anymore. The man represents a lot of the top talent that the MLB has to offer for a reason. Balking at negotiating with him only does a disservice to your team. If they intend to be serious about taking the next step, this is something that the FO has to get over. 

Yep.  FA’s this winter that are Boras clients include Cole, Strasburg, Moose, JDM, Ozuna, and Rendon.

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1 hour ago, Sleepy Harold said:

I believe this is how it should be approached. Whatever beef they had like 15 years ago shouldn't matter anymore. The man represents a lot of the top talent that the MLB has to offer for a reason. Balking at negotiating with him only does a disservice to your team. If they intend to be serious about taking the next step, this is something that the FO has to get over. 

As the story goes, it was a dispute in the media about Joe Crede that pissed off the Sox and Boras. That was a long time ago, and it hasn’t stopped the Sox from talking to Boras in the last few years. The Sox not signing Boras clients doesn’t have to do with Boras and JR not talking, it has to do with the Sox never shelling out top dollar for FA’s, most of whom are represented by Scott Boras.

When the Sox want to act like a real, ML team with playoff aspirations, Boras clients will sign with the Sox. Ideally, that’s this offseason. 

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9 hours ago, Tony said:

Ozuna for RF scares me. He has 9 games started in RF since 2016, and a TERRIBLE arm. 

Again, I know the options aren't great, and I believe the Sox like Ozuna, but it worries me having two below average, at best, corner OF's 

Yah, definitely not a perfect solution. Frankly there aren’t many. 

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6 hours ago, ChiSox59 said:

Yah, definitely not a perfect solution. Frankly there aren’t many. 

Calhoun and Pederson are the best names I've heard so far.  Neither would break the bank and you pretty much know what you get.

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12 hours ago, Tony said:

I’m not saying they are going to sign either guy. I’m saying their agent being Scott Boras isn’t going to stop the Sox from pursuing them. 

I think another negative is Boras likes to hold his FA till very late in the off- season.  JDM signed w Boston very late in 2018. Boston held out and eventually got him but I am not sure Hahn has the flexiibilty to hold out and then try and find an option if they lose him. Same w Stras. Hahn may have to blow them off w deals early in the process. 

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10 hours ago, Tony said:

As the story goes, it was a dispute in the media about Joe Crede that pissed off the Sox and Boras. That was a long time ago, and it hasn’t stopped the Sox from talking to Boras in the last few years. The Sox not signing Boras clients doesn’t have to do with Boras and JR not talking, it has to do with the Sox never shelling out top dollar for FA’s, most of whom are represented by Scott Boras.

When the Sox want to act like a real, ML team with playoff aspirations, Boras clients will sign with the Sox. Ideally, that’s this offseason. 

Pretty sure the initial beef between us and Boras was the Bobby Seay situation.

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2 hours ago, poppysox said:

Calhoun and Pederson are the best names I've heard so far.  Neither would break the bank and you pretty much know what you get.

I wouldn't mind Calhoun if we also signed Cole and JDM/Grandal. 

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11 hours ago, Sleepy Harold said:

I believe this is how it should be approached. Whatever beef they had like 15 years ago shouldn't matter anymore. The man represents a lot of the top talent that the MLB has to offer for a reason. Balking at negotiating with him only does a disservice to your team. If they intend to be serious about taking the next step, this is something that the FO has to get over. 

If we have to kiss Boras' ass, then so be it. We need a seat at the big boy table. 

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2 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said:

I wouldn't mind Calhoun if we also signed Cole and JDM/Grandal. 

Would you be upset with an offseason of Wheeler, Keuchel, Grandal, Calhoun, and a bullpen arm?

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