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First, not that it matters, but the Sox didn’t sign Alonso.  Second, I don’t think you honestly believe that, I think it’s simply what you want to believe to support your “Reinsdorf is cheap” view.

Sorry, "traded for."

I'd love to believe that JR was actually willing to sign a 10-year, $250M commitment to a player. But nothing about his way of doing business suggests that he'd do such a thing.

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24 minutes ago, Black_Jack29 said:

I agree with this. The Sox are better off paying less to a guy like Wheeler, signing an average-to-below-average starter to anchor the bottom of the rotation, re-signing Abreu, going after a decent LH bat at the RH or DH spot, and seeing how Kopech, Cease, Robert, and Madrigal develop in 2020. Even with these additions, they're probably not a playoff team. They can always add more via free agency in 2021.

The changes you outline are enough to compete in 2020 IMO.  People tend to forget that 4 positions in our lineup were virtual black holes.  Robert, Madrigal, RF and DH makes this a fun lineup.  We will have much better pitching for most of the year with no additions...just the returns of Kopech, Rodon and Dunning .  A couple of serviceable starters makes this a very respectable team.  Cole is obviously much better than the 2nd tier pitchers we discuss here.  JDM is better than a serviceable DH.  I see the floor as a competitive fun team to watch with the ceiling being a trip to the WS if things break right.  Fun offseason gonna start soon.

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The crazy thing is Hahn and Kenny must have a plan and they are just waiting for the WS to end to strike. I mean they know what's our there. They know the money they have to spend and they ought to get a few things done as soon as they can. JD and Cole seem silly to wait on and unattainable to me. JD is staying in Boston and Cole in Houston. Why would Houston let him go? 

I bet you the Sox temper expectations all winter and at Soxfest. They aren't used to fans thinking they have a shot at making the playoffs and until they become a .500 team they probably would be best to shut up about playoffs. Or a lot of people will be fired if the Sox suck again. Yes there are ways to see the team being good next year; the team also could suck.

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3 hours ago, poppysox said:

The changes you outline are enough to compete in 2020 IMO.  People tend to forget that 4 positions in our lineup were virtual black holes.  Robert, Madrigal, RF and DH makes this a fun lineup.  We will have much better pitching for most of the year with no additions...just the returns of Kopech, Rodon and Dunning .  A couple of serviceable starters makes this a very respectable team.  Cole is obviously much better than the 2nd tier pitchers we discuss here.  JDM is better than a serviceable DH.  I see the floor as a competitive fun team to watch with the ceiling being a trip to the WS if things break right.  Fun offseason gonna start soon.

I think that the Sox are going to have a tough time competing in this division with the Twins and Indians, even with the changes that I outlined. That said. I agree that they’ll be interesting and fun to watch in 2020.

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Last offseason, everyone announced the death of the Indians...and it didn't happen.

Bauer didn't even have close to his typical season, they had a number of injuries and non-performance from Jose Ramirez for half the season, and yet still, they ended up with 93 victories.

They're not just going to disappear.   Reyes is going to put up huge numbers in the AL, despite his being a black hole defensively.

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Trade: Zack Collins, Reynaldo Lopez, Dane Dunning, and Steele Walker for Starling Marte and Kyle Crick

 

Sign: JDM, Wheeler, Gio Gonzalez , Jason Castro, and Chris Martin 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, TheFutureIsNear said:

Trade: Zack Collins, Reynaldo Lopez, Dane Dunning, and Steele Walker for Starling Marte and Kyle Crick

 

Good lord....

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37 minutes ago, TheFutureIsNear said:

Trade: Zack Collins, Reynaldo Lopez, Dane Dunning, and Steele Walker for Starling Marte and Kyle Crick

 

Sign: JDM, Wheeler, Gio Gonzalez , Jason Castro, and Chris Martin 

 

 

Wow would that be a huge overpay.

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Last offseason, everyone announced the death of the Indians...and it didn't happen.

Bauer didn't even have close to his typical season, they had a number of injuries and non-performance from Jose Ramirez for half the season, and yet still, they ended up with 93 victories.

They're not just going to disappear.   Reyes is going to put up huge numbers in the AL, despite his being a black hole defensively.

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2 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Last offseason, everyone announced the death of the Indians...and it didn't happen.

Bauer didn't even have close to his typical season, they had a number of injuries and non-performance from Jose Ramirez for half the season, and yet still, they ended up with 93 victories.

They're not just going to disappear.   Reyes is going to put up huge numbers in the AL, despite his being a black hole defensively.

No one announced the death of the Indians. Some people thought they should have pushed all in so that they wouldn't get bounced in the post-season, but nearly everyone assumed they'd walk into the playoffs easily via the AL Central crown.

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3 minutes ago, Eminor3rd said:

No one announced the death of the Indians. Some people thought they should have pushed all in so that they wouldn't get bounced in the post-season, but nearly everyone assumed they'd walk into the playoffs easily via the AL Central crown.

Yeah, no idea what he’s talking about there.

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3 hours ago, TheFutureIsNear said:

Trade: Zack Collins, Reynaldo Lopez, Dane Dunning, and Steele Walker for Starling Marte and Kyle Crick

 

Sign: JDM, Wheeler, Gio Gonzalez , Jason Castro, and Chris Martin 

 

 

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2 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Last offseason, everyone announced the death of the Indians...and it didn't happen.

Bauer didn't even have close to his typical season, they had a number of injuries and non-performance from Jose Ramirez for half the season, and yet still, they ended up with 93 victories.

They're not just going to disappear.   Reyes is going to put up huge numbers in the AL, despite his being a black hole defensively.

Literally nobody did that.  They were basically a lock for the AL Central.  The Twins were fringey pre-season.

Edit:  The only knock on the Indians coming in was they didn't do enough to fix their OF situation.  But pretty much every analyst that wasn't being edgy had them walking away with the Central.

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Anyone be interested in Jackie Bradley Jr if the Red Sox non-tender him ? 

Really low batting average but gets on base a little and has plus glove. Also left handed bat. 2 War in a down year last year. (Other places have his war as being lower). 

Not fully on board with this idea myself in spite of being the one suggesting it, but how nice would a defence with both JBJ and Robert. They could shade a little to left and help Eloy out also perhaps. 

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2 hours ago, Colinski said:

Anyone be interested in Jackie Bradley Jr if the Red Sox non-tender him ? 

Really low batting average but gets on base a little and has plus glove. Also left handed bat. 2 War in a down year last year. (Other places have his war as being lower). 

Not fully on board with this idea myself in spite of being the one suggesting it, but how nice would a defence with both JBJ and Robert. They could shade a little to left and help Eloy out also perhaps. 

I’d say pass.  Not a good fit for what we need and I think there’s diminishing returns having two CF types when you play 81 games at the Rate.

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5 hours ago, BackDoorBreach said:

Literally nobody did that.  They were basically a lock for the AL Central.  The Twins were fringey pre-season.

Edit:  The only knock on the Indians coming in was they didn't do enough to fix their OF situation.  But pretty much every analyst that wasn't being edgy had them walking away with the Central.

I’m sure he’ll find a yahoo article!

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9 hours ago, SoxAce said:

Good lord....

I get why people will overrate Lopez and Collins, but I say trade them while they have value...because I don’t think they’ll have much in 2 years 

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12 minutes ago, TheFutureIsNear said:

I get why people will overrate Lopez and Collins, but I say trade them while they have value...because I don’t think they’ll have much in 2 years 

Well yeah but then trading dunning and Walker.

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26 minutes ago, TheFutureIsNear said:

I get why people will overrate Lopez and Collins, but I say trade them while they have value...because I don’t think they’ll have much in 2 years 

I'm not sure either has a ton of value right now. Some value, sure, but eh...

If Lopez can be moved for a nice RFer that has a few years of control left , I'd be all for it.

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Look to the Mets.....what about Mets send package of Cano and Nimmo and we sign Wheeler. Cano has 4 more years at $24/per against which Mariners pay $3.75/per. Cano solves for LH DH and can play a capable 2nd base until Madrigal arrives. Gotta believe Mets would pay down a portion of his salary (i.e. $5/yr.). So, we have Cano (assuming no trade clause can be worked out) for @$15/per through 2023. Nimmo in RF. No idea what we would have to part with but imagine it would be manageable.

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So regarding Cole and Strasburg. Rich Hahn has said over and over that the money will be spent. We have no reason to think that he isn't telling the truth, so...

If the Sox bring their payroll up to 130-150 mil through various trades and free agent acquisitions, and they're kind average for baseball salary-wise... that still leaves all that money they've been banking the last 3-4 years of the rebuild. You know, the money he promised 'that will be spent'.

Why can't they give Stras or Cole a huge signing bonus (from the pool of money that will be spent), thus lowering the AAV significantly, to a manageable price that they can afford going forward?

Or am I being naive in believing that this banked money will ever leave JR's bank account?

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8 minutes ago, Flash said:

Look to the Mets.....what about Mets send package of Cano and Nimmo and we sign Wheeler. Cano has 4 more years at $24/per against which Mariners pay $3.75/per. Cano solves for LH DH and can play a capable 2nd base until Madrigal arrives. Gotta believe Mets would pay down a portion of his salary (i.e. $5/yr.). So, we have Cano (assuming no trade clause can be worked out) for @$15/per through 2023. Nimmo in RF. No idea what we would have to part with but imagine it would be manageable.

Cano could be quite terrible for the remainder. If we took that in I’d want considerably more money back and I’d want to do it for conforto not Nimmo, who is nice but has way too many injury issues.

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52 minutes ago, TheFutureIsNear said:

I get why people will overrate Lopez and Collins, but I say trade them while they have value...because I don’t think they’ll have much in 2 years 

That’s a fair take.  But why trade them both plus our best pitching prospect and our second best OF prospect for two years of a 31 year old 3 win OF?

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2 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I’d say pass.  Not a good fit for what we need and I think there’s diminishing returns having two CF types when you play 81 games at the Rate.

For the record I’d be a big fan of JBj in both trade or acquiring him as FA

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