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1 hour ago, poppysox said:

Cole is very much an option.  I suggested 6 or 7 years at 35 per year.  Just make your best offer without being cleaver and move on.  Most of the usual suspects have Luxury Tax issues where trying to fit 35 into the payroll is no easy thing.  After making my Cole offer I would go after Wheeler and start talking to the lesser names.  We are one of very few teams that in theory could acquire both.  Pitching wins championships.

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6 hours ago, BackDoorBreach said:

They have a payroll of 50 million after arbitration.  They aren't going to be playing with a 90 million dollar payroll like they did last year in a non competitive year.  

There are not any left handed power bats available in FA.  I think they are going to swing a trade for that in RF.  I am hoping Pederson since he will be relatively cheap with 1 year left before FA.  JDM is 2x better than any LH bat on the market.  What versatile player is out there that is going to give you 30+ HR, OPS 900+, and give you a 37%+ OBP?  Especially for a DH. He is a special hitter with a deal that would be finished in 3 or 4 years.  

They need at least 1 LH hitting starter this off season, but outside of Grandal who is out there?  We need a DH and RF positionally.

The rest of the money should be spent on pitching, but  nobody here thinks Cole is an option, thats only going to be around 30/year if they get a Wheeler and 5 man.  Where is all the money leftover going to? 

When you say $50 after arbitration. roughly how many roster spots does that cover?  I agree they won't go $90 again but I don't think they go over $120. I  think your $30 for Wheeler( type) plus a 5th seems pretty accurate. 

One thing many posters don't seem to mention is a LH starter. It seems the better FA are RH but we need a quality LH in case Rodon has struggles. 

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1 hour ago, SCCWS said:

When you say $50 after arbitration. roughly how many roster spots does that cover?  I agree they won't go $90 again but I don't think they go over $120. I  think your $30 for Wheeler( type) plus a 5th seems pretty accurate. 

One thing many posters don't seem to mention is a LH starter. It seems the better FA are RH but we need a quality LH in case Rodon has struggles. 

If Bumgarner wasn't the chief of the fun police, I'd think he makes a lot of sense. I'd stay far away from Keuchel. 

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2 hours ago, Jack Parkman said:

If Bumgarner wasn't the chief of the fun police, I'd think he makes a lot of sense. I'd stay far away from Keuchel. 

Depending on what kind of contract he signs, I’d be thrilled with Keuchel if paired with Wheeler. 

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8 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

Depending on what kind of contract he signs, I’d be thrilled with Keuchel if paired with Wheeler. 

Why? The last thing you want is a contact pitcher with the Sox shitty defense. 

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19 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

Why? The last thing you want is a contact pitcher with the Sox shitty defense. 

Sox defense should be considerably better by May when Robert and Madrigal are there. Unless they put a terrible RF out there, which is why it’s important to fill that position wisely.

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27 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

Why? The last thing you want is a contact pitcher with the Sox shitty defense. 

Shitty defense?  Outside of Abreu & Eloy, who is a shitty defender out of the guys expected to get significant playing time next year?

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17 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

Sox defense should be considerably better by May when Robert and Madrigal are there. Unless they put a terrible RF out there, which is why it’s important to fill that position wisely.

The problem is they are replacing 2 of the better defenders on the team.

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10 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Shitty defense?  Outside of Abreu & Eloy, who is a shitty defender out of the guys expected to get significant playing time next year?

We have no idea who is playing RF, and although I thin pk TA is potentially a tremendous defensive SS, he isn’t there yet. 

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9 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Shitty defense?  Outside of Abreu & Eloy, who is a shitty defender out of the guys expected to get significant playing time next year?

We all know Anderson grades out well below his potential, and Abreu contributes to it.

Collins.

RF is yet to be determined, but there aren’t many above average fielders on the market.

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15 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Shitty defense?  Outside of Abreu & Eloy, who is a shitty defender out of the guys expected to get significant playing time next year?

Anderson, and the RF is still unknown. 

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23 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

We have no idea who is playing RF, and although I thin pk TA is potentially a tremendous defensive SS, he isn’t there yet. 

Do you expect Tim to be shitty next year?

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20 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

Anderson, and the RF is still unknown. 

Add Abreu as well. We all know he's there until Vaughn is ready regardless. 

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Just now, SoxAce said:

Add Abreu as well. We all know he's there until Vaughn is ready regardless. 

I said outside of Abreu & Eloy.  Hard to imagine we have a shitty defense strictly because our LF & 1B.  Yeah Anderson made a fuckton of errors this year, but I’m not prepared to assume that’s an every year thing just yet.

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44 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

Sox defense should be considerably better by May when Robert and Madrigal are there. Unless they put a terrible RF out there, which is why it’s important to fill that position wisely.

If Madrigal is better than Yolmer on defense it won't be by that much. He and Robert will help with the bat over the Engels, Yolmers, etc of the world.

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4 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I said outside of Abreu & Eloy.  Hard to imagine we have a shitty defense strictly because our LF & 1B.  Yeah Anderson made a fuckton of errors this year, but I’m not prepared to assume that’s an every year thing just yet.

His range numbers weren't that great either. It's why I don't worry with Moncada because regardless of his errors, he is very good in range factor not to mention it was his first year back in 3B since the Cuban days. I expect him to improve yearly (and posters like Ron stop trying to put him in RF).

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11 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

So by default we’re just assuming RF will be shitty...got it.

Palka should have never seen RF in a million years, you can't rule out that they have no clue how to evaluate OF defense. 

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13 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

Palka should have never seen RF in a million years, you can't rule out that they have no clue how to evaluate OF defense. 

The season didn't matter. I think they were aware that Palka was horrendous in RF lol... They aren't that clueless.

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I wonder what kind of deal we could get out of the Rockies if we took on some of their $ problems? I would love a chance at 1 of their cheap young pitchers and getting them away from Coors.


We trade for Daniel Murphy and Ian Desmond and they include Freeland/Marquez/Hoffman + some cash to cover some of Desmond. I don’t think we’d have to give up much and Murphy could actually be a useful part time left handed DH/1B for us. 

 

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1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Do you expect Tim to be shitty next year?

I have no idea.I did expect him to be better than he was this year. The fact is, their defense was bad this year, and their upgrades so far are to their better defensive guys. I think Anderson can be elite defensively, but until he is, he’s not.  RF may be shitty again, we have no idea. You would think it would be an upgrade, but shitty might actually be an upgrade from what was out there in 2019. I give this front office no credit until they earn it. Many front offices, you could assume would address the problem in a big way. This one, not so much. I look at some of the supposedly available guys, and see a lot of average at best gloves if that. A lot of warts on the free agents.

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1 hour ago, Dick Allen said:

I have no idea.I did expect him to be better than he was this year. The fact is, their defense was bad this year, and their upgrades so far are to their better defensive guys. I think Anderson can be elite defensively, but until he is, he’s not.  RF may be shitty again, we have no idea. You would think it would be an upgrade, but shitty might actually be an upgrade from what was out there in 2019. I give this front office no credit until they earn it. Many front offices, you could assume would address the problem in a big way. This one, not so much. I look at some of the supposedly available guys, and see a lot of average at best gloves if that. A lot of warts on the free agents.

Gotta solve RF by trade. Plenty of candidates ...Dahl, Tauschman, Happ, Nimmo, Frazier, JBJ, and personal fave, Pederson. Go get 'em Rick.

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4 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I said outside of Abreu & Eloy.  Hard to imagine we have a shitty defense strictly because our LF & 1B.  Yeah Anderson made a fuckton of errors this year, but I’m not prepared to assume that’s an every year thing just yet.

Yah, it’s really just those two. I like Grandal a lot because we can get him time at first as well, and Jose to DH. Eloy is what he is, I am hopeful he can continue to improve and be passable. Rest of the defense should be at worst average. A RF that can play above average defense would be so enormous for this team. 

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4 hours ago, TheFutureIsNear said:

I wonder what kind of deal we could get out of the Rockies if we took on some of their $ problems? I would love a chance at 1 of their cheap young pitchers and getting them away from Coors.


We trade for Daniel Murphy and Ian Desmond and they include Freeland/Marquez/Hoffman + some cash to cover some of Desmond. I don’t think we’d have to give up much and Murphy could actually be a useful part time left handed DH/1B for us. 

If we’re doing deals with the Rockies, I’d be much more interested in Dahl, Tapia and even Blackmon if Sox looking to deal for a contract. All would be good options, unfortunately only Tapia is above average defensively. 

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4 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

If we’re doing deals with the Rockies, I’d be much more interested in Dahl, Tapia and even Blackmon if Sox looking to deal for a contract. All would be good options, unfortunately only Tapia is above average defensively. 

Dahl and Blackmon are bad outside of Coors.

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