fathom Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, thxfrthmmrs said: Really wanted Cabrera, especially at that price. I guess they wanted a familiar name and it’s Yolmer at Sox Fest then. Iglesias and Holt still out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 hour ago, fathom said: Iglesias and Holt still out there I don’t know why they would prefer Iglesias to Yolmer. Holt at least a brings something to the table the other two don’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 minute ago, thxfrthmmrs said: I don’t know why they would prefer Iglesias to Yolmer. Holt at least a brings something to the table the other two don’t. Backup SS in case Timmy goes down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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thxfrthmmrs Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, fathom said: Backup SS in case Timmy goes down Iglesias is strictly an SS his whole career, not saying he could play 2B/3B but Yolmer has at least proven he could do that. Plus he’s a switch hitter, great locker room guy and knows the culture. Edited January 4, 2020 by thxfrthmmrs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 hour ago, thxfrthmmrs said: Really wanted Cabrera, especially at that price. I guess they wanted a familiar name and it’s Yolmer at Sox Fest then. Still some options out there, but it just feels like Yolmer is gonna happen. The worst part with Yolmer is he will steal way too much playing time from Madrigal because Ricky’s love for him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BackDoorBreach Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 I'm really getting the feeling they are working out a trade for a BP arm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 28 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Still some options out there, but it just feels like Yolmer is gonna happen. The worst part with Yolmer is he will steal way too much playing time from Madrigal because Ricky’s love for him. That should be a fireable offense unless Yolmer is having some sort of break out year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Just now, thxfrthmmrs said: That should be a fireable offense unless Yolmer is having some sort of break out year. Yea I don't really see any way that happens. If they wanted to bring him back they probably already would have agreed on a deal outside arb, maybe something like 1 year 4 million with a team option or small buyout (1 mm). Chances are Yolmer thought he could do better playing time wise and so decided to try his luck as a FA or camp invite at worst case. I think that signals the Sox and Yolmer have moved on from each other. MAYBE he comes back on a minor league invite but imo he's too good not to sign a small MLB contract sometime in February or early March on a team that is looking for a potential flip candidate or just needs some IF depth after the inevitable injuries of the first week of ST. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBlanco Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: Still some options out there, but it just feels like Yolmer is gonna happen. The worst part with Yolmer is he will steal way too much playing time from Madrigal because Ricky’s love for him. You might be right, but I’m willing to give RR the benefit of the doubt until he pulls that crap when we are in a contending year. Same with refusing to move Abreu out of the 3 hole. Those type of things were annoying, but they didn’t really matter much in a rebuilding year. I’d like to think he will choose winning over loyalty at this point. Edited January 4, 2020 by SoxBlanco 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 21 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: Yea I don't really see any way that happens. If they wanted to bring him back they probably already would have agreed on a deal outside arb, maybe something like 1 year 4 million with a team option or small buyout (1 mm). Chances are Yolmer thought he could do better playing time wise and so decided to try his luck as a FA or camp invite at worst case. I think that signals the Sox and Yolmer have moved on from each other. MAYBE he comes back on a minor league invite but imo he's too good not to sign a small MLB contract sometime in February or early March on a team that is looking for a potential flip candidate or just needs some IF depth after the inevitable injuries of the first week of ST. Not that I want Yolmer back, but the door is still open if Sox haven’t brought another bench bat and Yolmer is still unsigned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackDoorBreach Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Donaldson asking for 4/110. MLBTR indicates a number of teams are close to asking price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, thxfrthmmrs said: Not that I want Yolmer back, but the door is still open if Sox haven’t brought another bench bat and Yolmer is still unsigned. If he wants to come back for 3-4 million and accepts a bench role where he's looking at playing once a week fine. He's a useful bench utility IF but I have a feeling he wants a shot at more playing time. He's kinda at a crossroads for his career. He can hang on in MLB as a bench bat probably for a few more years but he won't make much money and will probably have to go to Japan in his 30s. So he might be thinking this is is one final chance to try and secure a starting gig and a long term deal. He's made like 9 million before taxes already so he's not destitute by any means but a 3 year 40 million dollar deal would ensure generational wealth for his family and most big leaguers from means such as his are seeking that security and status and I don't begrudge them one bit. Edited January 4, 2020 by chitownsportsfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Like I said, the Nationals are still going after Donaldson. https://mobile.twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1213564199193972737 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 41 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: If he wants to come back for 3-4 million and accepts a bench role where he's looking at playing once a week fine. He's a useful bench utility IF but I have a feeling he wants a shot at more playing time. He's kinda at a crossroads for his career. He can hang on in MLB as a bench bat probably for a few more years but he won't make much money and will probably have to go to Japan in his 30s. So he might be thinking this is is one final chance to try and secure a starting gig and a long term deal. He's made like 9 million before taxes already so he's not destitute by any means but a 3 year 40 million dollar deal would ensure generational wealth for his family and most big leaguers from means such as his are seeking that security and status and I don't begrudge them one bit. You lost me right here, in what world would he get that deal even in a starting role? Also, looking around the league, what team would possibly give him a starting gig? Keep in mind the likes of Gennett, Kipnis, Dozier are still on the market. At least with Sox he know he could start for the first month or so. At this point he knows he’s getting a backup or at best a super sub role, he just needs to come down on the asking price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Just now, thxfrthmmrs said: You lost me right here, in what world would he get that deal even in a starting role? Also, looking around the league, what team would possibly give him a starting gig? Keep in mind the likes of Gennett, Kipnis, Dozier are still on the market. At least with Sox he know he could start for the first month or so. At this point he knows he’s getting a backup or at best a super sub role, he just needs to come down on the asking price. Should have clarified: he has one last chance to prove he's a starting caliber talent this year and get a long term contract. It's fairly unlikely even with playing time, but there's a small chance he hits something like 275/330/425, puts up about 3 fWAR, and gets a long term deal. But if he is a backup on a stacked team (like Chicago, lol, what is life) he won't ever get that small chance. Honestly don't think he has that in him, but with enough of the right vitamins this offseason he might. One of my theories (and it's a theory only) is that he was off the juice last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 14 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: Should have clarified: he has one last chance to prove he's a starting caliber talent this year and get a long term contract. It's fairly unlikely even with playing time, but there's a small chance he hits something like 275/330/425, puts up about 3 fWAR, and gets a long term deal. But if he is a backup on a stacked team (like Chicago, lol, what is life) he won't ever get that small chance. Honestly don't think he has that in him, but with enough of the right vitamins this offseason he might. One of my theories (and it's a theory only) is that he was off the juice last year. Ok that makes more sense. But even with a breakout year he’s not getting type of money. A bigger and longer term contract than his 2020 deal, sure, but he needs to string together at least 2 strong offensive years to really get paid, which is unlikely. Like I said, looking around the league I don’t think he will get a starting gig anywhere and Sox might be the best situation in terms of playing time - Madrigal will spend some time in the minors, Anderson has missed time each year, and, as CWS said, Ricky likes him enough that he will find his way into the lineup more often than under a new manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, chitownsportsfan said: If he wants to come back for 3-4 million and accepts a bench role where he's looking at playing once a week fine. He's a useful bench utility IF but I have a feeling he wants a shot at more playing time. He's kinda at a crossroads for his career. He can hang on in MLB as a bench bat probably for a few more years but he won't make much money and will probably have to go to Japan in his 30s. So he might be thinking this is is one final chance to try and secure a starting gig and a long term deal. He's made like 9 million before taxes already so he's not destitute by any means but a 3 year 40 million dollar deal would ensure generational wealth for his family and most big leaguers from means such as his are seeking that security and status and I don't begrudge them one bit. No one is offering Yolmer Sanchez 3/$40. Gold Glove or not. Thats an absurd number for even a great defender - that has failed to hit with any constancy in the bigs over a large sample size. It is January and Yolmer Sanchez remains unemployed. I doubt anyone is even offering 1/$5M at this point. If he wants to continue his career he best recognize that an everyday starting gig in MLB is probably not in his future. Edited January 4, 2020 by SouthWallace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, SouthWallace said: No one is offering Yolmer Sanchez 3/$40. Gold Glove or not. Thats an absurd number for even a great defender - that has failed to hit with any constancy in the bigs over a large sample size. It is January and Yolmer Sanchez remains unemployed. I doubt anyone is even offering 1/$5M at this point. If he wants to continue his career he best recognize that an everyday starting gig in MLB is probably not in his future. again I was basing that on a hypothetical mid career break out as a starter this year. I've always liked Yolmer probably just wishful thinking he'd get a deal like that even after a 3 WAR season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 5 hours ago, Moan4Yoan said: Yoenis Cespedes wasn’t apparently telling the entire truth about how he got injured on his ranch. The reason he fell in the hole and hurt his ankle is because he was attacked by a released wild boar. https://www.amazinavenue.com/2020/1/3/21048985/new-york-mets-news-yoenis-cespedes-injury-ankle-boar-30-50-feral-hogs Why would you be anywhere near a boar without a .45 in your hand is the real question. He's obviously not a seasoned rancher. He deserves to have the deduction in his pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 2 hours ago, SoxBlanco said: You might be right, but I’m willing to give RR the benefit of the doubt until he pulls that crap when we are in a contending year. Same with refusing to move Abreu out of the 3 hole. Those type of things were annoying, but they didn’t really matter much in a rebuilding year. I’d like to think he will choose winning over loyalty at this point. I hope you're right, but RR also took about 100 PAs (combined) away from Anderson and Eloy by burying them down in the lineup during a non-competitive year so that Ryan Goins, AJ Reed, etc. could get more opportunities. One could argue that those ~100 PAs don't matter, but I think it's a no-brainer that our young core should get as many reps as possible in a rebuilding year. I'm not saying that such a decision means he will continue to make illogical moves, but if he made anti-developmental moves during a non-contending year, I don't necessarily feel good about him making winning moves during contending years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 hour ago, chitownsportsfan said: If he wants to come back for 3-4 million and accepts a bench role where he's looking at playing once a week fine. He's a useful bench utility IF but I have a feeling he wants a shot at more playing time. He's kinda at a crossroads for his career. He can hang on in MLB as a bench bat probably for a few more years but he won't make much money and will probably have to go to Japan in his 30s. So he might be thinking this is is one final chance to try and secure a starting gig and a long term deal. He's made like 9 million before taxes already so he's not destitute by any means but a 3 year 40 million dollar deal would ensure generational wealth for his family and most big leaguers from means such as his are seeking that security and status and I don't begrudge them one bit. Is this a joke? Yolmer isn’t going to sniff that kind of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 3 hours ago, SoxBlanco said: You might be right, but I’m willing to give RR the benefit of the doubt until he pulls that crap when we are in a contending year. Same with refusing to move Abreu out of the 3 hole. Those type of things were annoying, but they didn’t really matter much in a rebuilding year. I’d like to think he will choose winning over loyalty at this point. I really hope you’re right, but I’m just not optimistic that Ricky is going to change his ways at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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