SoCalChiSox Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 If push comes to shove and Joc is awesome for us but we can't agree on a long term deal, can't we give him a QO for 2021? Yes it would be a big overpayment but it would secure his services for another year during the window and no one is giving up a 2nd rounder for a platoon player. I think we also have alot of space in 2021. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 How has this not been posted yet? Fuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, DirtySox said: How has this not been posted yet? Fuck. @chw42 gave @bmags props on the thread title for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Dodgers could use a starting catcher (better than Will Smith or Austin Barnes) and most definitely a decent back-up catcher, or both. My guess is that they would want McCann and if they can't get him, then Collins plus Fulmer for one year of Joc. I am a big fan of Benintendi and Castellanos so personally, I would rather see the Sox exhaust those options before dealing with the Dodgers for Pederson . I am just not sold on Pederson as a one year rental. I don't think Joc would want to stay here in ChiTown unless the Sox overwhelm him with a multi-year deal, and I really doubt they would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 There are personal decisions by players and their agents that factor into these trades. Pederson was born and raised California so maybe he wouldn't like playing in Chicago and commuting across the country to where his family is from. Or he does it for a year, doesn't like it here, and decides to go the FA route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickofypres Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 3 20 minutes ago, tray said: Dodgers could use a starting catcher (better than Will Smith or Austin Barnes) and most definitely a decent back-up catcher, or both. My guess is that they would want McCann and if they can't get him, then Collins plus Fulmer for one year of Joc. I am a big fan of Benintendi and Castellanos so personally, I would rather see the Sox exhaust those options before dealing with the Dodgers for Pederson . I am just not sold on Pederson as a one year rental. I don't think Joc would want to stay here in ChiTown unless the Sox overwhelm him with a multi-year deal, and I really doubt they would. McCann and Fulmer? Sure They shouldn't trade Collins away. Period. Let alone for a rental. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 2 hours ago, ron883 said: Guys, just read Chisox378's profile. He isn't being serious. He’s the worst troll in the history of the board as he actually uses hate to get attention. People need to put this clown on ignore and move on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) nick: Sox would be selling high on McCann but low on Collins, so what you say makes sense. Anyway, I want the Italian kid who was born in the Midwest (Benintendi) in RF for us. I just don't see the West coast beach boy (Pederson) fitting in as well here. Edited December 4, 2019 by tray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 McCann is the type of guy you absolutely sell high on. If there's an actual market for him, I hope Hahn and company do realize it. Just because he's Giolito's personal therapist when he's on the mound does not mean he is too valuable to move. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 17 minutes ago, tray said: nick: Anyway, I want the Italian kid who was born in the Midwest (Benintendi) in RF for us. I just don't see the West coast beach boy (Pederson) fitting in as well here. This is a really strange take that ignores all other considerations (such as cost to acquire) in favor of ethnic background & geographic upbringing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 13 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: This is a really strange take that ignores all other considerations (such as cost to acquire) in favor of ethnic background & geographic upbringing. Maybe he was listening to Dean Martin and Frank Sinatra while eating lasagna and drinking Lambrusco after long hours of practicing on his accordion . Salute ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Maybe he was listening to Dean Martin and Frank Sinatra while eating lasagna and drinking Lambrusco after long hours of practicing on his accordion . Salute ! Salud! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickofypres Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) Edited December 4, 2019 by nickofypres Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 16 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Salud! That's the Italian-American bastardization of Salute , Grazie mille ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 3 hours ago, nickofypres said: McCann and Fulmer? Sure They shouldn't trade Collins away. Period. Let alone for a rental. The dodgers also wouldn't let collins catch. They are very sabermetrically oriented and place a ton of value on framing and defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisox378 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 4 hours ago, tray said: I am a big fan of Benintendi Me too, I'm interested in seeing what the Red Sox would want for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capital G Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 3 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: That's the Italian-American bastardization of Salute , Grazie mille ! Thought about it when I saw it lol I was born and raised in Italy and did not move here until I was 14. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxnfins Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Honestly don’t think Ben Nintendo is going anywhere... Red Sox will be hard pressed to give him up once they lose Betts, jmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxnfins Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 8 hours ago, Chisox378 said: Joc should be extended if we get him. If he can play CF he is even more valuable (yes I still think Robert needs a full year in the minors) Robert will be up after 15 days as long as he doesn’t strike out 45 times in those 45 ABs. I initially said put Robert in RF and acquire a CF, but have since rescinded that statement. You aren’t acquiring Joc to play CF over Robert... he’d play CF for 15 days while Robert is with the Knights, then go to right with Robert in CF. You don’t waste Robert’s speed or defensive abilities in RF, unless you have Mike Trout. Angels will gladly move Jo Adell to RF because of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarava Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 I'm going to go with the idea that this reported interest in Joc is a ploy to get Boras and Castellanos to agree to terms. He might not have a lot of suitors, and if the Sox trade for Joc, then one of his biggest suitors is out. Basically I'm speculating that the Sox are telling Boras/Castellanos to shit or get off the pot. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Soxnfins said: Honestly don’t think Ben Nintendo is going anywhere... Red Sox will be hard pressed to give him up once they lose Betts, jmo New owner of the Mariners? Sponsor of RussFest? Edited December 4, 2019 by caulfield12 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxnfins Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sarava said: I'm going to go with the idea that this reported interest in Joc is a ploy to get Boras and Castellanos to agree to terms. He might not have a lot of suitors, and if the Sox trade for Joc, then one of his biggest suitors is out. Basically I'm speculating that the Sox are telling Boras/Castellanos to shit or get off the pot. This is a good angle. I’ve been pounding the table for Castellanos since free agency opened. His bat translates so well to the Cell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, Sarava said: I'm going to go with the idea that this reported interest in Joc is a ploy to get Boras and Castellanos to agree to terms. He might not have a lot of suitors, and if the Sox trade for Joc, then one of his biggest suitors is out. Basically I'm speculating that the Sox are telling Boras/Castellanos to shit or get off the pot. I honestly feel that way as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 We can't afford Castellanos, Wheeler, DH (EE), RH bullpen and a second starter like Hamels. That's easily $65 million in additional payroll for 2020...in addition to Grandal and Abreu. Even with Collins/rotating DH, it's still at LEAST $55 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smellysox Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 19 minutes ago, Sarava said: I'm going to go with the idea that this reported interest in Joc is a ploy to get Boras and Castellanos to agree to terms. He might not have a lot of suitors, and if the Sox trade for Joc, then one of his biggest suitors is out. Basically I'm speculating that the Sox are telling Boras/Castellanos to shit or get off the pot. It's not a ploy. The Sox have been watching him everyday of every spring training for the last 5 years. Kenny wants this guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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