caulfield12 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, smellysox said: It's not a ploy. The Sox have been watching him everyday of every spring training for the last 5 years. Kenny wants this guy. They should have been watching Tatis, Jr., instead. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smellysox Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: They should have been watching Tatis, Jr., instead. You're right about that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 9 hours ago, Chisox378 said: Ok, Would they do Fulmer,Adolfo & Colome for Joc? You don't get better by trading your best relief pitcher for a one year rental. Fulmer straight up is about right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullythered Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 49 minutes ago, poppysox said: You don't get better by trading your best relief pitcher for a one year rental. Fulmer straight up is about right. Realistically, it's probably somewhere in between, no? Crazy to trade your closer for a rental if you plan to contend, but Joc is more valuable than a guy that everything outside of spin rate says is a bust. I think it will take maybe one second-tier prospect (obviously below Luis, Madrigal, Vaughn, but just below) and one super young "lottery ticket" type prospect. I know the second part will give everybody Tatis-induced PTSD, but the likelihood of that happening again is very slim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisox378 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, sullythered said: Realistically, it's probably somewhere in between, no? Crazy to trade your closer for a rental if you plan to contend, but Joc is more valuable than a guy that everything outside of spin rate says is a bust. I think it will take maybe one second-tier prospect (obviously below Luis, Madrigal, Vaughn, but just below) and one super young "lottery ticket" type prospect. I know the second part will give everybody Tatis-induced PTSD, but the likelihood of that happening again is very slim. Even better, Adolfo and James Beard for Joc! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 26 minutes ago, Chisox378 said: Even better, Adolfo and James Beard for Joc! Stoppppp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Chisox378 said: Even better, Adolfo and James Beard for Joc! I think you're getting into the Greg territory of annoyance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 11 minutes ago, cjgalloway said: I think you're getting into the Greg territory of annoyance. It'll only reach that level when he wants to give Billy Hamilton $75 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 20 minutes ago, cjgalloway said: I think you're getting into the Greg territory of annoyance. At least Greg isn't a bigot though. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zisk Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Just remember that JP will hit .217 with 12 homers for us his first year. When we trade for some one they always suck their first season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Isn't it wild having a guy like Joc last here would have pushed us near .500.... His +3 WAR would have replaced our what -6 from whatever the hell we were throwing out there... He's my favorite realistic RF addition this offseason.. Unless Conforto because obtainable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 11 minutes ago, cjgalloway said: Isn't it wild having a guy like Joc last here would have pushed us near .500.... His +3 WAR would have replaced our what -6 from whatever the hell we were throwing out there... He's my favorite realistic RF addition this offseason.. Unless Conforto because obtainable. No it wouldn't have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 27 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: No it wouldn't have. how? He was 3 WAR... Didn't our RF combine for negative 6? That's a 9 win difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 hour ago, cjgalloway said: I think you're getting into the Greg territory of annoyance. I like having Greg and his contrarian views. If we all agree on everything...there is nothing to talk about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 18 minutes ago, poppysox said: I like having Greg and his contrarian views. If we all agree on everything...there is nothing to talk about. You're wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, wegner said: You're wrong You could be right.🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, poppysox said: You could be right.🙂 Haha, you're the best....Now go use your powers of optimism to get us some more damned players** **BUT DON'T TRADE STEELE WALKER OR I WILL BE PISSED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 31 minutes ago, cjgalloway said: how? He was 3 WAR... Didn't our RF combine for negative 6? That's a 9 win difference. Not nearly, you're combining the DH position and RF and even with that I find -4.5 on fangraphs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: Not nearly, you're combining the DH position and RF and even with that I find -4.5 on fangraphs. So a 7.5 win change... SOOO 80ish wins? I stand corrected on my number (off 1.5) but I would be right on the overall outcome of right around .500. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Just now, cjgalloway said: So a 7.5 win change... SOOO 80ish wins? I stand corrected on my number (off 1.5) but I would be right on the overall outcome of right around .500. Only if you can tell me how he's going to simultaneously play DH and RF. Playing 300 games during a 162 game season seems difficult for one person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackDoorBreach Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Just now, cjgalloway said: So a 7.5 win change... SOOO 80ish wins? I stand corrected on my number (off 1.5) but I would be right on the overall outcome of right around .500. Iirc we were around -3 in RF. So we theoretically could have been a 78 win team last year or around there if we had Joc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 minute ago, BackDoorBreach said: Iirc we were around -3 in RF. So we theoretically could have been a 78 win team last year or around there if we had Joc. Sox outplayed their Pythagorean by about 4 games - so projection wise it would have taken them to a 74 win team with Joc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 11 minutes ago, wegner said: Haha, you're the best....Now go use your powers of optimism to get us some more damned players** **BUT DON'T TRADE STEELE WALKER OR I WILL BE PISSED Working on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackDoorBreach Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Sox outplayed their Pythagorean by about 4 games - so projection wise it would have taken them to a 74 win team with Joc. Isn't that just essentially run differential? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, BackDoorBreach said: Isn't that just essentially run differential? Yes, that’s all it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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