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If we trade Collins for Joc we better be sure Collins isn't a superstar bat in the making.

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1 minute ago, Balta1701 said:

The problem there is having "all your prospects reach the point of no value". That's, um, not supposed to happen.

It does if you’re unable to give them opportunities and they start aging out / slow down.  What’s your plan for Basabe, Gonzalez, Adolfo, Rutherford, & Walker?

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6 minutes ago, greg775 said:

If we trade Collins for Joc we better be sure Collins isn't a superstar bat in the making.

Zack Collins best case scenario is a less useful Joc Pederson

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3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

It does if you’re unable to give them opportunities and they start aging out / slow down.  What’s your plan for Basabe, Gonzalez, Adolfo, Rutherford, & Walker?

Honestly all those guys are trade bait for me.  LF and CF is solidified for years.  RF we can get via trade or FA.

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6 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

It does if you’re unable to give them opportunities and they start aging out / slow down.  What’s your plan for Basabe, Gonzalez, Adolfo, Rutherford, & Walker?

Just my opinion, but of that group, Gonzalez and Rutherford are no longer prospects. 

Of the other three, I lose hope by the month. They're all trade bait, and I wouldn't lose sleep over any of them. 

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15 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

The problem there is having "all your prospects reach the point of no value". That's, um, not supposed to happen.

Which is why you trade some of them for other things. There's 5 guys there for one position, and you're probably better off looking to FA/Trade to fill that spot anyway. 

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1 minute ago, BackDoorBreach said:

Honestly all those guys are trade bait for me.  LF and CF is solidified for years.  RF we can get via trade or FA.

Exactly, I’d be looking to move a couple of these guys to fill holes or add depth in other areas.

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31 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Holding onto all your prospects until they reach the point of no value is far more stupid.

So they can only get worse ?

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Just now, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

So they can only get worse ?

I’m not saying they can only get worse.  What I’m getting at is at some point prospects do age out and/or require 40 man roster spots, so you can’t hold onto them indefinitely.  Keep the ones that you think will develop into quality players and trade the others before teams realize their flaws.  Strong self-scouting is essential to optimizing player value.

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6 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

So they can only get worse ?

Yeah.  Hang on to them too long and guys figure out they can't play.  Best to move them when there's still some shiney new thing on them.  

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The White Sox used to play rent a RF in the 90s. Ellis Burks, DJ, Mike Devereaux, Danny Tartabull, and Dave Martinez until finally Maggs broke through. It was pretty amazing as all of them were pretty good with the Sox.

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1 minute ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

Sheets can't play.  Move him for a bag of balls.  Heuer is interesting.  I'd ride that one out.  

Why can’t Sheets play?  He was one of the best hitters in the Souther League after a rough first month.

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1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I’m not saying they can only get worse.  What I’m getting at is at some point prospects do age out and/or require 40 man roster spots, so you can’t hold onto them indefinitely.  Keep the ones that you think will develop into quality players and trade the others before teams realize their flaws.  Strong self-scouting is essential to optimizing player value.

I'm just amazed that the Sox go through a rebuild and people are so desperate to win that all the scouts on this board are willing to dump years of control for 1 year of a decent player. Didn't we hear the same shit about Semien, Bassitt , Phegley, Ravelo who are all still getting MLB appearances with an MVP candidate in the group ,while Samardzija is long gone and Michael Ynoa hasn't pitched in MLB for 2 years.

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11 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

Yeah.  Hang on to them too long and guys figure out they can't play.  Best to move them when there's still some shiney new thing on them.  

So some think they are non prospects already and some believe they still have value after so so years after injuries and playing in Death Valley at AA but you can fool all of baseball into thinking they still have upside. Got it. So basically saying if you believe they actually do have value you are a fool but the rest of MLB are fools too.

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8 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

Sheets can't play.  Move him for a bag of balls.  Heuer is interesting.  I'd ride that one out.  

I'm a big Heuer guy too. Kid has very good stuff despite the K numbers not quite being there. Watched him alot last season in Birmingham. 

Joc is one of my favorites for RF out of all the other players mentioned by some other posters. I'd be all in. 

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Just now, Chisox378 said:

Ok give them Colome, Basabe and Adolfo. Done deal.

LOL

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Just now, Chisox378 said:

Ok give them Colome, Basabe and Adolfo. Done deal.

I get it. You're trying to be a more extreme version of greg. 

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Honestly though, I wouldn’t trade Adolfo for Joc. Adolfo is going to be a dude at some point. We’ve made it this far with him, you can’t move him at his lowest value in years. 

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11 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

Sheets can't play.  Move him for a bag of balls.  Heuer is interesting.  I'd ride that one out.  

Doesn't all of Future Sox dislike you because you lift your leg and piss all over most Sox prospects ? And you have been told to not bring your shit into that Forum ?

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That's a fair trade.  They may even make out a little since Colome is such an important piece for a contending team.

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