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caulfield12 Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 1.6 and 1.9 fWAR for Renfroe the last two years. 6.2 and 4.1 for Pham. Preller not messing around, trying to get more athletic overall with the additions of Profar, Grisham/Trammell and Pham...dumping lumbering outfielders Reyes and Renfroe (who also has a great arm.) Trading two years of control between those two, with Pham a free agent after 2021 and Renfroe after 2023. Machado opt-out is after the 2023 season, btw. Padres clearly think that CJ Abrams will be a fast mover and that Edwards was expendable in the overall scheme of things. The Rays would land MLB Pipeline’s No. 72 overall prospect, Xavier Edwards, while the Padres would acquire two-way player Jake Cronenworth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 It's odd that Pham has been traded twice already, although in this case because the Rays do Rays things, like trading arb guys when they start to get expensive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 6, 2019 Author Share Posted December 6, 2019 13 minutes ago, daggins said: It's odd that Pham has been traded twice already, although in this case because the Rays do Rays things, like trading arb guys when they start to get expensive. The rays are so good at this no matter their competitive cycle it makes me ache. Getting good players you like, trade them for others. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, bmags said: The rays are so good at this no matter their competitive cycle it makes me ache. Getting good players you like, trade them for others. Rays aside because I am not sure they will draw under any situation. , I wonder how good that is for fan support. Fans love winners but they also love their favorite players. A turnstile roster may frustrate the fan base. Edited December 6, 2019 by SCCWS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 https://sports.yahoo.com/blake-snell-rays-tommy-pham-trade-prospect-061539441.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 Edwards is forever going to be known as “slapdic#” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capital G Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 45 minutes ago, SCCWS said: Rays aside because I am not sure they will draw under any situation. , I wonder how good that is for fan support. Fans love winners but they also love their favorite players. A turnstile roster may frustrate the fan base. Living in Tampa and the Rays being my 2nd favorite team I can tell you it does. The people that have true baseball knowledge know what they are doing, but your casual baseball fan does not. I have several friends upset over this only bc they liked Pham and feel like we cant keep the same players around. With already low attendance things like these don't help get people to the park (terrible location aside). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 42 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Edwards is forever going to be known as “slapdic#” That nickname is already taken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 Looks like Rays prefer Renfroe to Avi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 Just now, oldsox said: Looks like Rays prefer Renfroe to Avi. He's cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 (edited) Bit of an odd trade, but in the end, it does...make sense. For the Rays, this is a trade admitting that they have to have a surreal low payroll. They cut out Pham who's old and getting closer to FA for a younger Renfroe under more control and get an elite prospect back. It sucks for the fans and apparently the teammates (Snell --> Slapdick prospect), but it's... smart. For the Padres they get their high OBP high WAR outfield superstar as they try to compete this year and next. I just don't know whether I like the trade or not from either perspective. So many pros/cons. Either way it's a very juicy offseason so far. Edited December 6, 2019 by iWiN4PreP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 For those that don't understand the SD terminology going around.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 Edwards makes Madrigal look like superman. He's young and has time, but I'm not sure I'd refer to him as a top tier prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 (edited) Can't fault Preller for this. Preller's under an unrealistic "win now" order after only 5+ years on the job. Edited December 6, 2019 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
he gone. Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 Man, I'm a bit to very disappointed here. Hahn had to know Pham was available. He was a nice fit, short term duration, inexpensive, etc. Now what we would have to give up? Not sure. Probably too expensive at this point... and i guess you don't want to give up decent prospects when you have Pham for just 2 years. Pham is such a nice player, that's the only disappointing part. Oh well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, BrianAnderson said: Man, I'm a bit to very disappointed here. Hahn had to know Pham was available. He was a nice fit, short term duration, inexpensive, etc. Now what we would have to give up? Not sure. Probably too expensive at this point... and i guess you don't want to give up decent prospects when you have Pham for just 2 years. Pham is such a nice player, that's the only disappointing part. Oh well. Well they got a solid replacement and a top 100 guy so I highly doubt We had the personnel to get it done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 11 minutes ago, BrianAnderson said: Man, I'm a bit to very disappointed here. Hahn had to know Pham was available. He was a nice fit, short term duration, inexpensive, etc. Now what we would have to give up? Not sure. Probably too expensive at this point... and i guess you don't want to give up decent prospects when you have Pham for just 2 years. Pham is such a nice player, that's the only disappointing part. Oh well. What do they have on the roster that is comparable and expendable as Renfroe? And a top prospect to go with him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 6, 2019 Author Share Posted December 6, 2019 9 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: What do they have on the roster that is comparable and expendable as Renfroe? And a top prospect to go with him? Ideally we'd just have had a time machine and made the original trade from the cardinals (and to be fair that was a sentiment at the time here). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 8 hours ago, Capital G said: Living in Tampa and the Rays being my 2nd favorite team I can tell you it does. The people that have true baseball knowledge know what they are doing, but your casual baseball fan does not. I have several friends upset over this only bc they liked Pham and feel like we cant keep the same players around. With already low attendance things like these don't help get people to the park (terrible location aside). Guess it is a negative w existing players as well. Blake Snell sounds off https://www.aol.com/article/news/2019/12/06/he-said-what-live-stream-captures-rays-ace-blake-snells-exasperated-reaction-to-tommy-pham-trade/23875323/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 8 hours ago, soxfan2014 said: What do they have on the roster that is comparable and expendable as Renfroe? And a top prospect to go with him? If we had a 1.6-1.9 RFer with a power arm...well, it was Avi. But we wouldn’t now be trading him for just two years of control if we had extended him with a long-term deal through 2023 at least. And we don’t have any expendable Top 75ish prospects, either. And the Rays obviously value Renfroe over Avi as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox1917 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 10 hours ago, SCCWS said: Rays aside because I am not sure they will draw under any situation. , I wonder how good that is for fan support. Fans love winners but they also love their favorite players. A turnstile roster may frustrate the fan base. They don't have any fans to begin with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 7, 2019 Author Share Posted December 7, 2019 Preller wants to make sure the Medicals are accurate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, bmags said: Preller wants to make sure the Medicals are accurate He doesn't want anyone screwing him like he does with other GMs trading them damaged goods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 2 hours ago, ChiSox1917 said: They don't have any fans to begin with That is what Rays aside meant. You missed the whole concept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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