Dallas Keuchel (discussion)...come on down!

[BackDoorBreach 794]

They aren't going to trade Cease.

Madrigal and Vaughn I could see though.

[Colinski 26]

I like the idea of signing Keuchel. In a world of homers the ground ball is king. 

Further more as a finesse/control pitcher he should age better. 

Lastly the beard !

[CWSpalehoseCWS 862]

32 minutes ago, Colinski said:

I like the idea of signing Keuchel. In a world of homers the ground ball is king. 

Further more as a finesse/control pitcher he should age better. 

Lastly the beard !

Which he will immediately need to cut thanks the JR.

[Look at Ray Ray Run 7,329]

Just now, CWSpalehoseCWS said:

Which he will immediately need to cut thanks the JR.

Huh? 

[caulfield12 4,399]

Just now, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Huh? 

Team policy...certainly for a beard like that.  Out goes Charlie Blackmon as well.

[CWSpalehoseCWS 862]

Just now, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Huh? 

I believe JR has made players in the past have a "tidy" appearance. I might be wrong, but didn't Kopech have to cut his hair? Same with Crede and Pierzynski? Abreu's beard was considered a little too much?

[Look at Ray Ray Run 7,329]

8 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Team policy...certainly for a beard like that.  Out goes Charlie Blackmon as well.

LaRoche didnt cut his beard and it was long and hideous

Pretty sure this is not a rule. 

Crede had long hair for like 2 years.

Edited December 9, 2019 by Look at Ray Ray Run

[SonofaRoache 2,168]

1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

LaRoche didnt cut his beard.

Special privileges are earned, not given. 

[caulfield12 4,399]

4 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

LaRoche didnt cut his beard.

That’s because Drake LaRoche was honorary manager and in charge of the clubhouse for that one year...and is now deployed in Pattaya, Thailand, breaking up a trafficking ring.   
 

“He’s the best, most naturally talented leader of men I have ever encountered since Robin Ventura.  He could be a four star general, a start-up CEO or the next Mr. Rogers.”     Kenny Williams, 2014

”I love me some Drake.”   Adam Eaton, 2014

”At least they doesn’t needlessly flip over the postgame buffet table due to their non-Raidersesque, pacifist ways.” Chris Sale on the LaRoches

Edited December 9, 2019 by caulfield12

[Tnetennba 3,914]

Is Keuchel at say 3/$45-50 terrible?  Unmovable in a year or two?  Franchise crippling in any way?

 

[Chisoxfn 1,635]

1 minute ago, SouthWallace said:

Is Keuchel at say 3/$45-50 terrible?  Unmovable in a year or two?  Franchise crippling in any way?

 

This. Seems like with the way the market has headed, this wouldn't be a bad move and than see what you can land via trade (at a more controlled cost...albeit at a premium price from a prospect perspective).  

[South Side Fireworks Man 858]

2 hours ago, BackDoorBreach said:

They aren't going to trade Cease.

Madrigal and Vaughn I could see though.

Can the Sox trade Vaughn yet?  I always thought a team had to wait one year after drafting a prospect before they can trade him.

[Tnetennba 3,914]

14 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:

This. Seems like with the way the market has headed, this wouldn't be a bad move and than see what you can land via trade (at a more controlled cost...albeit at a premium price from a prospect perspective).  

My thoughts exactly.  I too would prefer a more front line acquisition, but with the market the way is, locking in Keuchel isn't the worst fall back option.

Edited December 10, 2019 by SouthWallace

[GreenSox 544]

2 hours ago, BackDoorBreach said:

They aren't going to trade Cease.

Madrigal and Vaughn I could see though.

A 72 win team trading two of its best prospects.  Thus the Sox are what they are.
Who plays 2nd?
As for Keuchel, that would be okay.  I just think there's as good a chance that he really declines as there is that he can deliver a solid 3-/4+ performance for 3 years. But even if he declines, it wouldn't put the org. in a straight jacket or anything.
 

Edited December 10, 2019 by GreenSox

[poppysox 2,195]

3 hours ago, ChiSox59 said:

I mean....in this market, what is a market rate deal for him?  We need a good SP.  Keuchel would be a fine 2nd SP addition, but we don't really need 2 SP on multiyear deals.  We need one a multiyear deal and one on a 1 year deal.  

Kuechel for 3/$45M is whatever, but if that's you best SP addition, we're basically punting 2020.  

Ryu and Kuechel would firm up the staff substantially.  I know its not Wheeler and Scherzer but in all honesty those contracts border on insane.

[BackDoorBreach 794]

Just now, GreenSox said:

A 72 win team trading two of its best prospects.  Thus the Sox are what they are.
Who plays 2nd?
 

There are a ton of FA 2B.  You don't even need to be a 2B to play 2B anymore due to shifting, see Moustakas.

If they were trading Vaughn or Madrigal the return is probably a 4 or 5 WAR player. 

[poppysox 2,195]

5 minutes ago, BackDoorBreach said:

There are a ton of FA 2B.  You don't even need to be a 2B to play 2B anymore due to shifting, see Moustakas.

If they were trading Vaughn or Madrigal the return is probably a 4 or 5 WAR player. 

We've been out bid on one pitcher (Wheeler) and had the best offer.  Let's not start panicking into trading our future.  The top of our rotation is fine with Gio, Kopech and possibly Cease once everyone is up to speed.   Lopez coupled with Ryu and Keuchel would be a terrific upgrade over last years mess of a staff.  2020 would have improvements in center, rf, catcher, dh, 2nd, starting staff and hopefully the pen.  We compete for the division without anything risky being done.

[soxfan3530 73]

Why are people so down on Kuechel? Isn’t he a groundball specialist? Which is something we need in our park. 

[Look at Ray Ray Run 7,329]

29 minutes ago, South Side Fireworks Man said:

Can the Sox trade Vaughn yet?  I always thought a team had to wait one year after drafting a prospect before they can trade him.

They can trade him, he will just be announced as a PTBNL until one year has past from the draft. If I recall correctly.

[GermanSoxFan 2,649]

2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

They can trade him, he will just be announced as a PTBNL until one year has past from the draft. If I recall correctly.

IIRC they changed that a couple of years ago. He can be traded right now.

[Moan4Yoan 1,824]

6 minutes ago, soxfan3530 said:

Why are people so down on Kuechel? Isn’t he a groundball specialist? Which is something we need in our park. 

He’s a bit older, his stuff has declined, and with Boras as his agent, he will likely get paid too much based on his past performance rather than what his future holds.

Edited December 10, 2019 by Moan4Yoan

[DirtySox 2,719]

9 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

They can trade him, he will just be announced as a PTBNL until one year has past from the draft. If I recall correctly.

Can be traded as is once the World Series is over.

[SoxAce 3,198]

1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

LaRoche didnt cut his beard and it was long and hideous

Pretty sure this is not a rule. 

Crede had long hair for like 2 years.

LaRoche did actually. It was much longer than that. He trimmed it just enough. And Kopech already acknowledged the rule on Twitter after he was traded a couple of years ago. Reinsdorf's rule is well known (not as strict as the Yankees but it's definitely a rule). 

[ChiliIrishHammock24 819]

Do. Not. Want.

[GreenSox 544]

29 minutes ago, poppysox said:

We've been out bid on one pitcher (Wheeler) and had the best offer.  Let's not start panicking into trading our future.  The top of our rotation is fine with Gio, Kopech and possibly Cease once everyone is up to speed.   Lopez coupled with Ryu and Keuchel would be a terrific upgrade over last years mess of a staff.  2020 would have improvements in center, rf, catcher, dh, 2nd, starting staff and hopefully the pen.  We compete for the division without anything risky being done.

Well-said  In fact, I think the Sox would be in good shape with a couple of consistent #3/4s.  

Edited December 10, 2019 by GreenSox