Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 What happened to that guy in the DR who knew everything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, The Sir said: I’d do Rutherford for Mazara straight up. That would be a fair trade. Whether it helps the Sox is another question. Edited December 11, 2019 by GreenSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 minute ago, GreenSox said: If those are the only 2 prospects we have of real merit, we won't be rolling. You'll need more, if for no other reason, to trade WHEN you are rolling (versus off of 72 wins) They aren’t the only ones who have merit, its that they’re unlikely to have a spot here before their options are up, or they need to be 40 manned or whatever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 hour ago, fathom said: I’m guessing Stiever and Rutherford If they give up both guys for Mazara then Hahn should be fired on the spot. The move is already highly questionable given the fact Mazara isn’t very good and is only under team control for two years. Even if they’re able to unleash him, he’s going to be a free agent right in the middle of our window. If you’re going to gamble on someone like this, at least pick someone where the upside is worst the risk. This is just mind boggling to me and makes me question what in the fuck the actual plan is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Just now, GreenSox said: If those are the only 2 prospects we have of real merit, we won't be rolling. You'll need more, if for no other reason, to trade WHEN you are rolling (versus off of 72 wins) He specifically said bring up when you're rolling. They just don't have that many spots on the diamond. SS, LF, CF, C, 1B and 3B are filled. 2B, RF, and DH is all you got. If Madrigal and Vaughn are the guys there, then they dont really need prospect push for another 4-5 years to replace pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxnfins Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Trade for Mazara, DH him, then sign Castellanos, then sign Keuchel (meh) and call it an offseason. F it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: If they give up both guys for Mazara then Hahn should be fired on the spot. The move is already highly questionable given the fact Mazara isn’t very good and is only under team control for two years. Even if they’re able to unleash him, he’s going to be a free agent right in the middle of our window. If you’re going to gamble on someone like this, at least pick someone where the upside is worst the risk. This is just mind boggling to me and makes me question what in the fuck the actual plan is. And his agent is Boras, so in the unlikely event that Mazara DOES break out in the next two seasons the Sox would have control of him for, Boras would take him to free agency. Edited December 11, 2019 by Moan4Yoan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) Career Stats vs RHP for Benintendi and Mazara, respectively: vs RHP 449 1536 1348 219 387 95 12 41 200 44 9 157 265 .287 .363 .467 .830 629 23 12 4 15 9 8 .327 108 vs RHP 503 1615 1448 201 393 76 4 64 240 5 4 138 320 .271 .337 .462 .799 669 31 13 0 16 11 16 .305 112 Mazara has been the better power bat, but Benintendi has the better OBP. They're actually pretty close, vs. RHP. However, he is considerably worse vs LHP. I assume that Mazara's arm is better suited for RF, than Benintendi's. He's also one year younger than Benintendi. Edited December 11, 2019 by Lillian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrad Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 26 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Jon Daniels runs circles around Hahn as a GM. you r correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: If they give up both guys for Mazara then Hahn should be fired on the spot. The move is already highly questionable given the fact Mazara isn’t very good and is only under team control for two years. Even if they’re able to unleash him, he’s going to be a free agent right in the middle of our window. If you’re going to gamble on someone like this, at least pick someone where the upside is worst the risk. This is just mind boggling to me and makes me question what in the fuck the actual plan is. You better hide the knives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 It's bad enough Sox fans have to wait for another splash signing, now we are gonna wait another week to get Nomar Mazara. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Soxnfins said: Trade for Mazara, DH him, then sign Castellanos, then sign Keuchel (meh) and call it an offseason. F it. How f***ing bad have things gotten if Castellanos is the guy we're putting out in the field because someone else's defense is worse? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Yeah, people balking at walker as the return are a bit over the top here. Not a mazara fan, but wouldnt lose sleep over trading walker for him. You’re nuts bro and must be related to someone in the front office. Probably Koenig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skooch Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, Lillian said: Career Stats vs RHP for Benintendi and Mazara, respectively: vs RHP 449 1536 1348 219 387 95 12 41 200 44 9 157 265 .287 .363 .467 .830 629 23 12 4 15 9 8 .327 108 vs RHP 503 1615 1448 201 393 76 4 64 240 5 4 138 320 .271 .337 .462 .799 669 31 13 0 16 11 16 .305 112 Is this Lillian's swap meet? Where's Benetti when you need him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nardiwashere Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Vinnie Duber and Chuck acted like Mazara was a good fielder on nbcsports.... some people here are acting like he’s awful. What’s the real answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Perhaps Hahn's reticence to include Vaughn and Madrigal as someone stated explains why we are forced to try and buy low on someone with upside who can hit righties well but has alot of flaws. If you don't have a lot of quality depth and you won't trade top tier prospects (and he shouldn't do so, I agree) this is all we can do outside of using payroll flexibility to absorb a bad contract as the means of compensation which they seem to be doing in talks with BOS for Benintendi. That's the only two ways to do it if you are in that position. Hopefully we will get something done that's decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Just now, Nardiwashere said: Vinnie Duber and Chuck acted like Mazara was a good fielder on nbcsports.... some people here are acting like he’s awful. What’s the real answer? He's not awful but below average so far in his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: How f***ing bad have things gotten if Castellanos is the guy we're putting out in the field because someone else's defense is worse? Castellanos is worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Nardiwashere said: Vinnie Duber and Chuck acted like Mazara was a good fielder on nbcsports.... some people here are acting like he’s awful. What’s the real answer? I don’t know anything about Duber but Chuck is a homer so I’m not surprised. The defensive metrics say Mazara is bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wisebri224 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) But his bat (Castellanos)is 10x better......dear gracious why are we talking about Nomar freaking Mazara...... Edited December 11, 2019 by Wisebri224 clarification Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: He specifically said bring up when you're rolling. They just don't have that many spots on the diamond. SS, LF, CF, C, 1B and 3B are filled. 2B, RF, and DH is all you got. If Madrigal and Vaughn are the guys there, then they dont really need prospect push for another 4-5 years to replace pieces. That's if you want a 2-3 year window like the Royals. You should ALWAYS have a prospect push. Injuries, upgrades, etc. That's what drafts and international signings are for. Good FOs don't rely on top 5 picks or good prospects only when they tank.. And this org. hasn't shown any ability to be above the bottom quartile via the draft (they're better at international signings, the rare times they bother trying). Edited December 11, 2019 by GreenSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, Nardiwashere said: Vinnie Duber and Chuck acted like Mazara was a good fielder on nbcsports.... some people here are acting like he’s awful. What’s the real answer? Both of them are just water carriers for the front office. Same goes for that McGuffey guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: You’re nuts bro and must be related to someone in the front office. Probably Koenig. You love walker. Giving up stiever would be absurd. Giving up walker is whatever. I said I'm not a fan of the move, but if it predicates a bigger move because it's a cheaper option than Ozuna/Castellanos then I'm good with the gamble. Mazara isnt a talentless bum. He'd be worth the move if something bigger opened up due to it. that's the only thing I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Moan4Yoan said: I don’t know anything about Duber but Chuck is a homer so I’m not surprised. The defensive metrics say Mazara is bad. It was mostly Duber saying that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackDoorBreach Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 You have to wonder if Castellanos is asking for 5/100 or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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