steveno89 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 20 minutes ago, SCCWS said: " Boston might have to get creative to offload the 34-year-old, potentially attaching an enticing young pitcher or paying down some of Price’s salary to facilitate a trade." Another take with a pitching prospect attached. Hahn needs to wait for the rumor that Sale is attached to the Price trade and then jump on it. That rumor should be around by the weekend.................. https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2019/12/david-price-trade-rumors-cardinals-white-sox-among-5-teams-in-on-boston-red-sox-starter-report.html Boston is in a tough spot because they badly need to lower payroll in order to have flexibility to improve a flawed roster. They are paying eight players nearly $175 million in 2020, that is totally screwed up moving forward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gtrams42 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Honestly those who think Boston would throw in Nintendo are unrealistic. This offseason for SP has benefited them immensely. They may throw in Groome or something similar in value but with 5 teams interested that ship has sailed. For all those complaining about Mazara, let the kid play before you fail him. Y’all overreact and once you hear it’s a bad trade start to jump ship. Honestly it’s sad to see all the hate and somewhat embarrassing. Let the offseason play out and continue to think of hypothetical trades but R-E-L-A-X. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Gtrams42 said: Honestly those who think Boston would throw in Nintendo are unrealistic. This offseason for SP has benefited them immensely. They may throw in Groome or something similar in value but with 5 teams interested that ship has sailed. For all those complaining about Mazara, let the kid play before you fail him. Y’all overreact and once you hear it’s a bad trade start to jump ship. Honestly it’s sad to see all the hate and somewhat embarrassing. Let the offseason play out and continue to think of hypothetical trades but R-E-L-A-X. Not necessarily true^ There is a big difference between teams being interested, and how much of Price's contract teams would be willing to pay. It would not be crazy to ask Boston for $10-12 million per season towards his 3/$96 million remaining deal. No team is swallowing that entire contract, period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, SCCWS said: https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2019/12/david-price-trade-rumors-cardinals-white-sox-among-5-teams-in-on-boston-red-sox-starter-report.html This article states precisely what I have surmised. The Red Sox primary goal is off loading the salary. I don't think that they are looking for prospects. Our Sox are ideally positioned to take on Price, whom we could use, and that awful contract. We can probably beat out any of the competition, providing we don't demand any money. Again, whom could we accept, as the carrot, to do this favor, for Bloom? Edited December 12, 2019 by Lillian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBlanco Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 minute ago, steveno89 said: Not necessarily true^ There is a big difference between teams being interested, and how much of Price's contract teams would be willing to pay. It would not be crazy to ask Boston for $10-12 million per season towards his 3/$96 million remaining deal. No team is swallowing that entire contract, period. Correct. Let’s say they decide to pick up $12M per year and we trade for him. We are then getting Price for $20M a year for three years. What/Who else would the trade need to include to make that work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 9 minutes ago, Gtrams42 said: Honestly those who think Boston would throw in Nintendo are unrealistic. This offseason for SP has benefited them immensely. They may throw in Groome or something similar in value but with 5 teams interested that ship has sailed. For all those complaining about Mazara, let the kid play before you fail him. Y’all overreact and once you hear it’s a bad trade start to jump ship. Honestly it’s sad to see all the hate and somewhat embarrassing. Let the offseason play out and continue to think of hypothetical trades but R-E-L-A-X. Price ZIPS projection puts him under 6 WAR over the next 3 years. FG's, which admittedly didn't project pitching contracts well this off-season, said Price would likely get a 1-2 year deal under 30 million if he signed today. Price is underwater because he's always hurt, and he's old, but he's owed a ton of money. Nothing about this off-season changed the worth of Price. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 9 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Price ZIPS projection puts him under 6 WAR over the next 3 years. FG's, which admittedly didn't project pitching contracts well this off-season, said Price would likely get a 1-2 year deal under 30 million if he signed today. Price is underwater because he's always hurt, and he's old, but he's owed a ton of money. Nothing about this off-season changed the worth of Price. https://blogs.fangraphs.com/david-prices-trade-value/ This article that came out today nails Price's market value pretty well 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 11 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Price ZIPS projection puts him under 6 WAR over the next 3 years. FG's, which admittedly didn't project pitching contracts well this off-season, said Price would likely get a 1-2 year deal under 30 million if he signed today. Price is underwater because he's always hurt, and he's old, but he's owed a ton of money. Nothing about this off-season changed the worth of Price. Maybe not his "worth." But I guess a better term would be demand since deals are not always about a player's true value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, steveno89 said: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/david-prices-trade-value/ This article that came out today nails Price's market value pretty well Somebody please send that to the Sox so they have a clue what he might be valued at. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 11 minutes ago, steveno89 said: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/david-prices-trade-value/ This article that came out today nails Price's market value pretty well Good article. Thanks for posting. I wish the Red Sox would be a bit more reasonable (or desperate) in their effort to cut salary. Price would help our rotation and an outfield of Benintendi, Robert, and Mazara/Eloy with mainly Mazara and Eloy rotating at DH could be pretty damn good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 16 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Price ZIPS projection puts him under 6 WAR over the next 3 years. FG's, which admittedly didn't project pitching contracts well this off-season, said Price would likely get a 1-2 year deal under 30 million if he signed today. Price is underwater because he's always hurt, and he's old, but he's owed a ton of money. Nothing about this off-season changed the worth of Price. At less than 6 WAR for the next 3 years, even BOS paying half the deal isn't gonna get anyone excited. That might be why Benintendi has to be attached PLUS BOS eating at least some money too. How bout just Price and Sale (that's about 250m in contract obligations....number sound familiar?) and BOS paying about 50m of the 250 and it can be 5m this year to get them well under the tax so they can make some signings but the contribution gets higher in the years when we will need the money to offset the cost. 2019: 5m 2020: 15m 2021: 15m 2022: 15m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Hatchetman said: Somebody please send that to the Sox so they have a clue what he might be valued at. Long story short, no club is going to be touching the Price contract unless the Red Sox pay down a gigantic portion of it, or attach Rodriguez or Benintendi potentially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, steveno89 said: Long story short, no club is going to be touching the Price contract unless the Red Sox pay down a gigantic portion of it, or attach Rodriguez or Benintendi potentially. You are probably right. The question is; Would you rather have some money back from Boston, or try to pry another player from them? Then, which player? I suspect that Bloom would prefer to get the maximum salary relief, and add another player. Edited December 12, 2019 by Lillian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Just now, Lillian said: You are probably right. The question is; Would you rather have some money back from Boston, or try to pry another player from them? Then, which player? Eduardo Rodriguez and Andrew Benintendi are directly mentioned in the article, and each would still likely require Boston to pay down Price's salary. It would not require much in the way of prospect capital going back to Boston, but a deal hinges on how badly Boston wants to get salary off the books. I'm not sure Price is a gamble the White Sox should be willing to take unless the money can be worked out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 5 hours ago, sox71 said: Gammons just said on MLB that the Red Sox want Vaughn and Madrigal to make this Price-Benitendi+cash deal to work. He did comment that they were too far apart on money. That would be crazy. Makes me mad if RH didn't hang up the phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 (edited) Add a couple relievers and another starter/swing-man type and I don’t see how this team couldn’t compete for the division / Wild Card... that lineup would be stacked. 2B Madrigal LF Benintendi 3B Moncada 1B Abreu C Grandal DH Eloy RF Mazara SS Anderson CF Robert Giolito Price Kopech Cease Lopez / Rodon Edited December 12, 2019 by Moan4Yoan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 I can't imagine that Boston would be willing to include Rodriguez. They still have control over him, for 2 more years, and he's very good. Isn't he considered by them, to be a key part of their rotation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, poppysox said: Makes me mad if RH didn't hang up the phone. I agree. That's nuts. If Bloom wants salary relief, he shouldn't be expecting any top prospects back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, poppysox said: Makes me mad if RH didn't hang up the phone. Why don't we eat the cash and keep the prospects? If they want Magical and Vaughn then they need to extend Mookie and include him and major cash. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said: Why don't we eat the cash and keep the prospects? If they want Magical and Vaughn then they need to extend Mookie and include him and major cash. Why would the Red Sox get Betts to sign a $400 million extension then trade him when the whole point of dumping Price, Sale and Eeovaldi is to actually be able to afford to keep him long-term? Knowing the White Sox, we would just have him for one year and then lose him and prospects back to the Red Sox after 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said: Why don't we eat the cash and keep the prospects? If they want Magical and Vaughn then they need to extend Mookie and include him and major cash. I agree about just taking on the contract if we want Price and they want prospects. They are the ones trying to shed payroll. They can pound sand if they want us to take the "bad" contract and give them prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 minute ago, wegner said: I agree about just taking on the contract if we want Price and they want prospects. They are the ones trying to shed payroll. They can pound sand if they want us to take the "bad" contract and give them prospects. Honestly, it’s hard to imagine the Sox doing better on the free agent market than adding two quality players like Price and Benintendi for the next 3 years for $96 million plus Benintendi’s arbitration salaries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 I will believe any deal involving price to the white sox when it happens. I think its more likely the Red Sox kick in a bunch of money and the Sox send along Vaughn than it is that the Red Sox just hand us Price, Benintendi, pay down the price deal AND we only give up scraps. Just seems way too good to be true, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Just now, ChiSox59 said: I will believe any deal involving price to the white sox when it happens. I think its more likely the Red Sox kick in a bunch of money and the Sox send along Vaughn than it is that the Red Sox just hand us Price, Benintendi, pay down the price deal AND we only give up scraps. Just seems way too good to be true, IMO. You are probably right. I wouldn’t want to move Vaughn, but that stupid Abreu extension sure made him less of a priority to keep. Really upsetting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Why would the Red Sox get Betts to sign a $400 million extension then trade him when the whole point of dumping Price, Sale and Eeovaldi is to actually be able to afford to keep him long-term? Knowing the White Sox, we would just have him for one year and then lose him and prospects back to the Red Sox after 2020. Well that's the only way they are getting Vaughn and Magical AND us to eat Price's salary. Edited December 12, 2019 by SonofaRoache 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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