BFirebird Posted December 18, 2019 Author Share Posted December 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: Count em. They have 0 reason to move this player to the White Sox for anything less than a Robert centered deal right now, nor should they. Yeah moving Snell makes 0 sense for the Rays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Count em. They have 0 reason to move this player to the White Sox for anything less than a Robert centered deal right now, nor should they. Yep, that contract is amazing. They probably won’t trade him until before the 2023 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Moan4Yoan said: You can be serious about that offer but Keuchel won’t be. This is the last big contract he is going to sign. He is going to shoot for the highest total dollar amount, regardless of years or AAV. Yep, plus demand for even halfway decent SP is currently far outstripping supply so Boras is in a good position to wait teams out. The whole problem is that 4th year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 That Snell contract would be so perfect for our window. Vaughn + Stiever (or Dunning) I'd do but NOT Vaughn + Madrigal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Just now, SoCalChiSox said: That Snell contract would be so perfect for our window. Vaughn + Stiever (or Dunning) I'd do but NOT Vaughn + Madrigal. Robert + Stiever/Dunning might get you in the conversation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Boras..."Patience, Dallas. Look at the deal I got for Cole and Strasburg." Keuchel..."Yeah but look at the deal you got me last year" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 1 hour ago, steveno89 said: I do not see many clubs expressing interest in going four years on Keuchel. His market seems to be fairly slow, and I could see him taking a lesser deal. I still believe Keuchel is our primary target and will eventually sign with us in the neighborhood of 3 years for 55 million. Boras will not hold out till the edge of the cliff again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 The Rays got Meadows, Glasnow and Baz for god awful Chris Archer. There is absolutely no reason for them to even discuss a lesser package than that for Blake Snell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Just now, poppysox said: I still believe Keuchel is our primary target and will eventually sign with us in the neighborhood of 3 years for 55 million. Boras will not hold out till the edge of the cliff again. At the start of FA or now? Either way that's such a fail. You...held out for one of the shittiest Boras clients? For what exactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, poppysox said: I still believe Keuchel is our primary target and will eventually sign with us in the neighborhood of 3 years for 55 million. Boras will not hold out till the edge of the cliff again. That won’t be enough. Boras can and he will. History has proven this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 13 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said: That won’t be enough. Boras can and he will. History has proven this. With Keuchel's experience last year...a bird in hand should have some appeal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Outside the box, but what about Josh Hadar.....as a starter. Hasn't there been talks of him starting before? If he fails as a starter, you move him to the pen when other guys are ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centerfieldsixers Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 26 minutes ago, wegner said: Boras..."Patience, Dallas. Look at the deal I got for Cole and Strasburg." Keuchel..."Yeah but look at the deal you got me last year" Keuchel had multiple year contracts on the table. Scott told him to take them and Dallas said no he will try again this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, centerfieldsixers said: Keuchel had multiple year contracts on the table. Scott told him to take them and Dallas said no he will try again this year Ah, so he bet on himself. Interesting to see how much it will work. Thanks for that info. But I must say, I do think that if you are a top of the line free agent, Boras is your guy. Below that top tier, I'm not sure he is the best fit IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, wegner said: Ah, so he bet on himself. Interesting to see how much it will work. Thanks for that info. But I must say, I do think that if you are a top of the line free agent, Boras is your guy. Below that top tier, I'm not sure he is the best fit IMHO. Moustakas seems happy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 The bottom line is there are no perfect solutions. The question is this: Do you go for a player that isn't a perfect fit and kill some of your flexibility or put bandaids on it for a year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: The bottom line is there are no perfect solutions. The question is this: Do you go for a player that isn't a perfect fit and kill some of your flexibility or put bandaids on it for a year? Personally, I'd pick up some innings eaters. Nobody on the market is an impact player. They really need to hope Gio maintains, Cease and Lopez take big steps forward and 1 or 2 of Dunning, Lambert or Hansen rebounds from the injuries. Although maybe Hansen is just a lost cause at this point. Edited December 18, 2019 by TaylorStSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: The bottom line is there are no perfect solutions. The question is this: Do you go for a player that isn't a perfect fit and kill some of your flexibility or put bandaids on it for a year? As painful as it is, I think you wait out the market on Ryu on 3/$60M or less or Keuchel at 3/$55M or less. If someone gives them 4, you put bandaids on it for a year. Trade something like Sheets or Gonzalez for Q, sign Wood or Teheran and call it a day. Don't particularly see why they haven't at least added the 1 year backend guy yet though. Seems to me it may take them look a little less desperate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mqr Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 1 minute ago, TaylorStSox said: Personally, I'd pick up some innings eaters. Nobody on the market is an impact player. They really need to hope Gio maintains, Cease and Lopez take big steps forward and 1 or 2 of Dunning, Lambert or Hansen rebounds from the injuries. Although maybe Hansen is just a lost cause at this point. If Cease and to a lesser extent Lopez don't improve, whoever they sign doesn't matter anyway, even if it were Wheeler. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxnfins Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 49 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Robert + Stiever/Dunning might get you in the conversation. It's the Rays, I've been saying this, but they are weird... I wonder if they'd ask for Lopez or Rodon instead of Robert... One could wish. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 24 minutes ago, poppysox said: With Keuchel's experience last year...a bird in hand should have some appeal. There was a compensation draft pick tied to signing him last year. That is why no one wanted to pay him. This time around, that no longer applies. https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/braves-dallas-keuchel-slams-the-concept-of-draft-pick-compensation-attached-to-free-agents-and-he-has-a-point/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, mqr said: If Cease and to a lesser extent Lopez don't improve, whoever they sign doesn't matter anyway, even if it were Wheeler. Absolutely. That kind of goes without saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 16 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Moustakas seems happy... After betting on himself 2 years in a row with a 1 year deal...good for him, but risky business Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 13 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: As painful as it is, I think you wait out the market on Ryu on 3/$60M or less or Keuchel at 3/$55M or less. If someone gives them 4, you put bandaids on it for a year. Trade something like Sheets or Gonzalez for Q, sign Wood or Teheran and call it a day. Don't particularly see why they haven't at least added the 1 year backend guy yet though. Seems to me it may take them look a little less desperate. The Cubs are not going to just give him away to the Sox, certainly not after losing the original Q deal by so much... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 9 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: The Cubs are not going to just give him away to the Sox, certainly not after losing the original Q deal by so much... Just a suggestion. A guy on a market rate deal for 1 season doesn't exactly have a boatload of value either. But yah, I agree...the Cubs aren't going to give him away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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