CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Steve9347 said: You do realize Senzel had an 89 OPS+ last year, right? Yea Senzel better be an above average fielder if I'm going to see all this love for him. Same age as Mazara. Lots more years of control though of course . But but but getting Senzel is rebuilding team move . We are in our window now . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Cease and Mazara for Senzel. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, BrianAnderson said: Good for Nick. Good for Cincinnati as a town and fan base, and good for the Reds. It's an overpay - but whatever. And as much as trading Senzel might be a tough move ... if you get a Lindor back you could have a real fun 2 years ahead. That rotation is pretty damn solid up and down. Castillo, Gray, Bauer, Miley, Desclafini, Mahle. If you add a Lindor you have Suarez, Lindor, Moose, Votto, Castellanos, the CF from Japan? and Winker. They also have that Aquanios (don't remember his name off the top of my head and not looking it up ... you know who I'm talking about though) and in that situation you can just take your excess OF and shift them around - Castellanos to 1B, votto rest. Moose to 3B, Suarez rest, etc. I for one am cheering for the Reds this year in the NL. This really isn't a bad setup for cincinnati either. They had to guarantee a lot, but those opt outs really aren't bad for them either. If he opts out after either year 1-2, that means he had really good performance for them and that they came out on top - paying him for less production than they got - which is possible for him now that he's out of Detroit. Furthermore, so far no one has said that there are any clauses about a qualifying offer in that contract, so if he opts out Cinci can get another 2nd round pick for him leaving. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, cjgalloway said: Cease and Mazara for Senzel. I’d pass on this just because of Cease but realize Mazara on his own isn’t bringing back much. Edited January 27, 2020 by Moan4Yoan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 This is actually pretty good for the Sox. The Sox can give Mazara an audition in 2020 and then reassess if he doesn't work out. Castellanos could be another option for RF next year assuming he opts out, and hopefully he'll torment the Cubs in the meantime. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Moan4Yoan said: He’s still a 1B. Sox have Abreu around for 3 more seasons and could have Encarnacion around for 2 more. Draft another one. I don't see the Sox exercising the EE option for 2021 if Vaughn flies through the minors (unless EE randomly has a Nelson Cruz-like breakout) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: I don't see the Sox exercising the EE option for 2021 if Vaughn flies through the minors (unless EE randomly has a Nelson Cruz-like breakout) The only way that option gets picked up is if Vaughn has a bad year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 59 minutes ago, Moan4Yoan said: We’ll probably find out what type of player he is when the Indians trade Lindor for him and more. Pretty much the deal I'm expecting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 That's way too rich for him the Sox got 90% of Nick for 1/6 the cost in EE. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Can Aquino play any defense? His metrics don't look great, but he would be kind of a fun platoon mate for Mazara. Certainly no room for him on the Reds at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
he gone. Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 never thought of that angle -- trying to get Senzel ...... hmmm... would they do it for Timmy? This is all just surface level for me - haven't really researched it, going off of my fantasy baseball memory right now ... but Senzel was a #2 pick and destroying the minors before his bout with vertigo i believe. and then this injury... i wonder if it would be a buy low, sell high type of thing. They get their SS & we could see where we slot him ... SS, 2B, CF, RF, etc. *** i reserve the right to hate my own post later today after i think about this more -- even though this scenario will never happen anyways. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, BrianAnderson said: never thought of that angle -- trying to get Senzel ...... hmmm... would they do it for Timmy? This is all just surface level for me - haven't really researched it, going off of my fantasy baseball memory right now ... but Senzel was a #2 pick and destroying the minors before his bout with vertigo i believe. and then this injury... i wonder if it would be a buy low, sell high type of thing. They get their SS & we could see where we slot him ... SS, 2B, CF, RF, etc. *** i reserve the right to hate my own post later today after i think about this more -- even though this scenario will never happen anyways. Why would the White Sox trade Tim Anderson for Nick Senzel? Anderson is under contract for 5 years meaning Senzel only has 1 more year of control and Senzel is only 2 years younger than Anderson Edited January 27, 2020 by Look at Ray Ray Run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
he gone. Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 like i said it was off the top of my head. I've generally been a non Timmy guy in terms of thinking he can replicate his success consistently. I love his attitude and as a person, just for some reason not as much on the baseball front. I love when he proved me wrong last year and that probably put my fears to rest, but for some reason it didn't. I also really like Senzel + he has flexibility all over the field which is nice to have. Also based on someone like Didi taking a 1 year deal, if you flipped a Timmy and got Senzel you could pick up a Didi at a decent price. Or go get a Brendan Rodgers via trade. It just seems like there are nonstop SS prospects nowadays for some reason. This is not me defending a fake made up trade on a glance, more me explaining it -- again with no backing & not much thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
he gone. Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Just quick fantasy grab... look at that list. plus wander franco ... royce lewis maybe, bobby witt. carter kieboom .... abrams .... luciano ... its so damn stacked. brendan rodgers.. Just seems feasible in my fantasy baseball mind that if we could trade our SS for Senzel that we could pick up a SS at a discounted price elsewhere with relative ease. 2020 Fantasy Baseball: Shortstops Rankings, Consensus Preseason Rankings for SS | FantasyPros RANK PLAYER (Team, Position) OVERALL BEST WORST AVG STD DEV ADP VS. ADP 1 Francisco Lindor (CLE - SS) 6 1 5 1.3 0.6 7.0 +1.0 2 Trea Turner (WSH - SS) 9 1 5 2.8 0.8 14.0 +5.0 3 Trevor Story (COL - SS) 8 1 6 2.9 1.1 11.0 +3.0 4 Alex Bregman (HOU - 3B,SS) 12 2 6 3.3 1.0 8.0 -4.0 5 Fernando Tatis Jr. (SD - SS) 20 2 12 5.3 1.4 19.0 -1.0 6 Xander Bogaerts (BOS - SS) 30 5 9 6.7 1.0 32.0 +2.0 7 Javier Baez (CHC - 2B,3B,SS) 34 4 12 7.3 1.4 36.0 +2.0 8 Gleyber Torres (NYY - 2B,SS) 35 5 10 7.8 1.1 31.0 -4.0 9 Adalberto Mondesi (KC - 2B,SS) 44 6 15 9.5 2.3 41.0 -3.0 10 Jonathan Villar (MIA - 2B,SS) 52 7 15 11.1 1.7 33.0 -19.0 11 Manny Machado (SD - 3B,SS) 57 8 14 11.6 1.2 57.0 ‐ 12 Bo Bichette (TOR - SS) 66 8 14 12.7 1.5 82.0 +16.0 13 Marcus Semien (OAK - SS) 75 10 15 13.6 1.3 83.0 +8.0 14 Carlos Correa (HOU - SS) 77 8 31 14.3 2.8 91.0 +14.0 15 Ketel Marte (ARI - 2B,SS) 42 5 15 10.4 1.8 44.0 +2.0 16 Tim Anderson (CWS - SS) 94 13 24 15.7 2.5 107.0 +13.0 17 Jorge Polanco (MIN - SS) 124 14 26 18.5 2.8 141.0 +17.0 18 Amed Rosario (NYM - SS) 130 16 23 19.1 1.2 144.0 +14.0 19 Corey Seager (LAD - SS) 132 15 29 19.4 2.4 146.0 +14.0 20 Elvis Andrus (TEX - SS) 160 17 27 21.2 3.4 131.0 -29.0 21 Jean Segura (PHI - SS) 158 16 27 22.1 2.1 193.0 +35.0 22 Didi Gregorius (PHI - SS) 177 17 33 23.4 3.6 204.0 +27.0 23 Paul DeJong (STL - SS) 185 19 30 23.9 2.4 185.0 ‐ 24 Eduardo Escobar (ARI - 3B,SS) 115 17 20 18.0 1.2 99.0 -16.0 25 Gavin Lux (LAD - SS) 200 18 40 25.3 5.3 155.0 -45.0 26 Kevin Newman (PIT - SS) 235 21 37 27.8 4.6 216.0 -19.0 27 Lourdes Gurriel Jr. (TOR - 2B,SS) 187 21 29 23.8 2.6 164.0 -23.0 28 Scott Kingery (PHI - 3B,SS) 228 21 30 26.1 2.6 178.0 -50.0 29 Willy Adames (TB - 2B,SS) 305 23 35 31.3 3.3 320.0 +15.0 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Some high quality analysis going on in here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Mods, please delete my posts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Reds have become the White Sox of the NL. They have really improved their team this offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Growing belief among NL GMs is NL will have the DH in 2021. Reds are clearly getting ahead of the curve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moan4Yoan Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Man, Boras really worked his magic... “Reds signed OF Nick Castellanos to a four-year, $64 million contract with a $20 million player option for 2024. The deal contains opt outs after the 2020 and 2021 seasons and could potentially max out at a total of $74 million.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 46 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: Growing belief among NL GMs is NL will have the DH in 2021. Reds are clearly getting ahead of the curve Good. It's long past due. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 47 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said: Growing belief among NL GMs is NL will have the DH in 2021. Reds are clearly getting ahead of the curve We’re on the way to radical realignment and the Sox and Cubs playing 12 or more games against each other every year. It’s going to make baseball worse, but what else is new... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 7 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Why would the White Sox trade Tim Anderson for Nick Senzel? Anderson is under contract for 5 years meaning Senzel only has 1 more year of control and Senzel is only 2 years younger than Anderson Also senzel is extremely injury prone. Guy can never stay healthy and that might limit his value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 11 hours ago, GermanSoxFan said: So if Mazara doesn't work out this also means he could become an option for the Sox next year. Nice. Betts is that guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackDoorBreach Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 I've been saying before the offseason that 16 AAV would be a fair deal for Nick based on his WAR and output. The options are definitely interesting though. The Reds didn't get a steal by any means but I would say it's market value with potential to provide some surplus value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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