Texsox Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 1 minute ago, NorthSideSox72 said: It would be very hard to make a criminal case here, unless the supervisor in this case had disobeyed actual law on masks if any, or maybe if the supervisor defied corporate directives for safety. Barring either of those being the case, there is nothing to prosecute. And even if a successful case could be made, I'm guessing pardons for all next January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, NorthSideSox72 said: It would be very hard to make a criminal case here, unless the supervisor in this case had disobeyed actual law on masks if any, or maybe if the supervisor defied corporate directives for safety. Barring either of those being the case, there is nothing to prosecute. There will be no criminal case, the deck is stacked against it in every way. But this is no less negligent than a fire happening in a building with locked exits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Texsox said: What percentage of his base can be flipped? I'm trying to remember now what regular voter chose Trump over Hillary. It seemed like he only received the fringe votes. I'm seriously thinking he keeps the disenfranchised, racist, rebel flag waving crowd and the hell no I'm never ever voting for a Dem crowd. Add in the Crooked Hillary to Creepy Joe voters. While on one hand I'm thinking no way we do this again, I don't see an easy win. Honestly, we are talking about either a narrow percentage of defections in key states, a narrow percentage of non-2016 voters for the Dems showing up in November, or a combination thereof. The electoral results looked bigger than the underlying data really showed. I looked at it at one point, and under 100,000 votes in a few states overturns 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said: Honestly, we are talking about either a narrow percentage of defections in key states, a narrow percentage of non-2016 voters for the Dems showing up in November, or a combination thereof. The electoral results looked bigger than the underlying data really showed. I looked at it at one point, and under 100,000 votes in a few states overturns 2016. The fact it's that close is just . . . I have no words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, Texsox said: The fact it's that close is just . . . I have no words. Dig into the state by state 2016 results. It was amazingly close despite the 304-227 final tally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 17 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Honestly, we are talking about either a narrow percentage of defections in key states, a narrow percentage of non-2016 voters for the Dems showing up in November, or a combination thereof. The electoral results looked bigger than the underlying data really showed. I looked at it at one point, and under 100,000 votes in a few states overturns 2016. And just remember...any of these things: 1. The voter suppression efforts 2. The Russian campaign 3. James Comey Easily could have accounted for those votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Dick Allen said: If there was no election this year, does anyone think states would actually be re-opening now? The leadership here in Texas is not up for election this year and they were saying we needed to sacrifice the elderly for the economy back in early April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 9 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: The leadership here in Texas is not up for election this year and they were saying we needed to sacrifice the elderly for the economy back in early April. Yes, but their re opening is all about Trump. For some reason, they think they need him to survive. He's a great salesman. Most of these people are right to lifers, yet people should risk death to go to a minimum wage job because it makes it more convenient for the better off. They have actually made this a political issue. Getting sick and dying is now political. While they sit away from everybody, getting tested every few days....it is really sickening. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: The leadership here in Texas is not up for election this year and they were saying we needed to sacrifice the elderly for the economy back in early April. Leadership across the country is pretty much just shrugging their shoulders at this point. We're going into an "NBA hell" response where we do basically nothing to contain the health damage, which will just lead to further economic damage. We won't make people feel safe and secure by staying home, instead forcing them back to work if they want food and shelter, further exacerbating the health crisis. Which will then only deepen the economic damage, which will be accelerated by massive state and local layoffs. I know this is a deeply pessimistic outlook, but from what we're seeing from the Federal government (Congress and WH) and from many states across the country, I don't see much to indicate we're on any other path. And this lack of vision or leadership is only going to drive people to drop their support of mitigation efforts and instead turn to more conspiratorial viewpoints. Edited May 7, 2020 by StrangeSox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 7, 2020 Author Share Posted May 7, 2020 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: Honestly, we are talking about either a narrow percentage of defections in key states, a narrow percentage of non-2016 voters for the Dems showing up in November, or a combination thereof. The electoral results looked bigger than the underlying data really showed. I looked at it at one point, and under 100,000 votes in a few states overturns 2016. 77,000 WI (no HRC event), MI (Bill Clinton told them it was going against them but was ignored) and PA (brought in Obamas, but too late with Comey letter also turning momentum last two weeks) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 1 hour ago, NorthSideSox72 said: That plant and Cargill are going to lose a lot of money in a lawsuit soon. The supervisor told people not to wear the mask because it created fear? Come on. The federal courts are increasingly packed with judges who want to return to Lochner-era jurisprudence. We have a SCOTUS justice who's most famous prior ruling was that it was perfectly acceptable for a trucking company to fire an employee who chose to abandon his broken-down truck rather than freeze to death. I wouldn't be so sure about any pro-labor legal outcomes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 20 minutes ago, Tony said: this 20+ minute video of a former female scientist taking down Fauci and basically parroting every anti-vaxxer talking point. Yep, this is the latest thing making the rounds after those two urgent care doctors. She has a great history of being fired for theft, of having papers retracted over fraud, and of taking lots of money over the years from the anti-vaxx movement. But she's saying what lots of people want to hear, which is that this big scary pandemic isn't really so scary at all. People want to feel agency and security. They're not really being given that right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 7, 2020 Author Share Posted May 7, 2020 https://www.thebalance.com/job-creation-by-president-by-number-and-percent-3863218 Six of the seven largest Presidential job creators are Dems (yes, there are NUMEROUS factors involved...fwiw, Reagan was the lone trend exception, coming out of a brutal 1981-82.) I also saw a stat quoted that claimed in their lifetime, Democratic presidents had created 32 million jobs while Republican presidents had seen 34 million in net job losses. Not sure how far off that is, but just wow. Would need to do some more thorough research to verify. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 First Trump declares victory over Covid 19. He shut it down. Then, he decides he is a wartime President and declares war. Now, he has surrendered. Time for the re-election campaign. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 4 hours ago, Texsox said: You can't feel good if you don't look good. Good point but mine is about feeling good. The long hair annoys me and itches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Balta1701 said: And just remember...any of these things: 1. The voter suppression efforts 2. The Russian campaign 3. James Comey Easily could have accounted for those votes. What will it be this time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 9 minutes ago, The Beast said: What will it be this time? well certainly #1. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Flipping voters matters, but it won't be the biggest factor in November. Probably over 90% of the country that will vote made up their minds about the 2020 election by March of 2017 and haven't changed materially. There is only a very small slice to vary on there. What it will come down to is Dem and Independent voter turnout (because the GOP turns out in pretty much the same numbers every time, and the others are more flighty). If Dems and independents show up in November the way they did in 2018 (relatively), then Trump loses in a rout. If they are just kinda meh about voting (which I doubt, as the anger has not subsided), then Trump has a chance, though it would be very close. COVID will push some undecideds off Trump but not many. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 2,600 new cases in illinois but 18k new tests. Illinois allowing 3 hotels for quarantining nursery home employees to stay ... and a college is offering a 4 week class for tracers. ?? Four weeks. Because the feds were garbage at it, illinois has spent the last 6 weeks increasing capacity of ppe, tests, hospital bed capacity. But we are just now starting on rolling out contact tracing. We still have guidelines in many places that only people with symptoms should request tests. And we still don't have places to self quarantine that aren't homes. If Illinois wants to come down, it has to up this stuff soon. BTW Germany is opening up their factories and restarting school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinilaw08 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 1 hour ago, bmags said: 2,600 new cases in illinois but 18k new tests. Illinois allowing 3 hotels for quarantining nursery home employees to stay ... and a college is offering a 4 week class for tracers. ?? Four weeks. Because the feds were garbage at it, illinois has spent the last 6 weeks increasing capacity of ppe, tests, hospital bed capacity. But we are just now starting on rolling out contact tracing. We still have guidelines in many places that only people with symptoms should request tests. And we still don't have places to self quarantine that aren't homes. If Illinois wants to come down, it has to up this stuff soon. BTW Germany is opening up their factories and restarting school. Also gave the green light to re-start the Bundesliga in less than 10 days. Germany has done a great job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 7, 2020 Author Share Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/07/opinions/the-future-normal-hinge-event-bergen-rothenberg/index.html How the Hinge Event of Covid Will Change the World https://www.yahoo.com/news/armed-activists-escort-black-lawmaker-to-michigans-capitol-after-coronavirus-protest-attended-by-white-supremacists-184000180.html Greg, we’re getting closer and closer to Civil War. With that flowing hair, be careful you don’t get confused with Quantrill’s Raiders. Go Kansas! Edited May 7, 2020 by caulfield12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 8, 2020 Author Share Posted May 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, Tony said: Someone should probably start watching movies all the way to the end... When this inevitably fails and the stock market zips back up to 30,000, he can quickly adjust on the fly to consult with the Financially Independent, Retire Early crowd... And maybe “Death Star” is an accidentally appropriate image, since we’re leading the known universe in Covid-19 deaths... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 8, 2020 Author Share Posted May 8, 2020 What are we doing this for?': Doctors are fed up with conspiracies ravaging ERs https://www.yahoo.com/news/doing-doctors-fed-conspiracies-ravaging-214800418.html Halazun has since stopped engaging with the trolls on Facebook, some of whom claimed that "the hospitals are empty" and that the virus was part of a plot to vaccinate or microchip U.S. citizens — just two of the many conspiracy theories that have swirled around the coronavirus. But he was still left with big questions: How can people believe this stuff? And do they understand the algorithms and opportunistic extremists that led them to believe it? "It scares me more than anything that there are people who are basically controlled — and in the same way they feel they're fighting against that control," he said. "They go to YouTube, where they're really being controlled, and they don't realize it. That's what's scary." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 Shanghai Disney just sold out it’s reopening day. and this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 Meanwhile stocks are still climbing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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