COVID-19/Coronavirus thread

[Jerksticks]

1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

Based upon what scientifically-verifiable evidence?

Don’t you get it yet man?  Without knowing asymptomatic and unreported mildly symptomatic cases.....wait for it.....wait for it..... keep waiting...get your popcorn ready bud....here it comes............THERE IS NO SCIENTIFICALLY-VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE.  
 

There’s only population numbers, hospitalization numbers, and dead people numbers.  That’s it. 
 

 

[StrangeSox]

That is incorrect, as has been pointed out to you several times in this thread. France, Spain, and parts of Italy and the US have done serology surveys and found consistent results.

Edited August 7, 2020 by StrangeSox

[southsider2k5]

16 minutes ago, Jerksticks said:

Don’t you get it yet man?  Without knowing asymptomatic and unreported mildly symptomatic cases.....wait for it.....wait for it..... keep waiting...get your popcorn ready bud....here it comes............THERE IS NO SCIENTIFICALLY-VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE.  
 

There’s only population numbers, hospitalization numbers, and dead people numbers.  That’s it. 
 

 

That isn't true at all.  Many lower level sources have done random anti-body studies, and even when look at the most extreme of them, they don't amount to the claims you have been making for months.  All of these have been riding in the 5-10% category, while the actual positive cases numbers in the US are currently around 1.5%.

[StrangeSox]

The CDC estimated 10x as many cases as currently reported on the high side. That would mean that we finally have gotten to about 50m infected over the past 8 months. That is only 15% of the US population, and it's going to be lumped around rather than evenly spread. 15% is a long, long, long way from any sort of natural immunity tamping down the spread to manageable levels. That is still hundreds of thousands of more deaths until we get to 80% or higher. That will take many more months if not years and we'll have substantial economic damage and suffering along the way.

NYT write-up:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/27/health/coronavirus-antibodies-asymptomatic.html

CDC data:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/commercial-lab-surveys.html

 

Meanwhile, Illinois continues to trend the wrong way. It's downstate that's leading the rising positivity.

 

Edited August 7, 2020 by StrangeSox

[southsider2k5]

6 minutes ago, StrangeSox said:

The CDC estimated 10x as many cases as currently reported on the high side. That would mean that we finally have gotten to about 50m infected over the past 8 months. That is only 15% of the US population, and it's going to be lumped around rather than evenly spread. 15% is a long, long, long way from any sort of natural immunity tamping down the spread to manageable levels. That is still hundreds of thousands of more deaths until we get to 80% or higher. That will take many more months if not years and we'll have substantial economic damage and suffering along the way.

Estimates for herd immunity were at about 70% of the country needing to be infected.  If we are at 15% and in order to get to 70% of 330 million people infected we still need to get 180-ish million more people infected to get to about 230 million.  So that is about 5 times as many cases as we have now.  If we pretend that we didn't drastically under report deaths (which we did in study after study), and we have the same death rate, we still have about about 5 times as many deaths to still go as well.  So we have about 800,000 more deaths to go, putting us just under a million for this exercise.  Realistically if we hit the 1% death rate which has been estimated for this, we are looking at about 2.3 million total deaths.

[caulfield12]

With a little more than a week to go before classes begin, the Cobb County School District is already contending with cases of COVID-19.

The district said since July 1 it has been informed by Cobb & Douglas Public Health of about 100 cases involving district students or staff members, said spokeswoman Nan Kiel.

The district relies on students and staff members to self-report potential COVID-19 cases. The health department confirms the disease via testing and contacts others who may have been infected. The health department asks those who test positive to self-quarantine for 10 days and “we strictly enforce their guidance,” Kiel said.

ajc.com

 

Shocking, I tell you, in that historically progressive/proactive state that doesn’t mandate mask wearing...

Edited August 7, 2020 by caulfield12

[raBBit]

On 7/31/2020 at 6:40 PM, caulfield12 said:

How many will have lifetime or shorter term life-altering complications...?

Watch what all the politicians and media personalities do.   None of their kids are going to be crowded together in underfunded, unprepared public schools.

We’re about to cancel a baseball season out of safety concerns for 900 mostly 1%ers and above...because nobody can follow the rules.

Why should K-12 students in outbreak areas be treated any differently?   Somehow we expect middle school students to be more responsible than at any time since World War Two and the Great Depression?  Why would it be reasonable to conclude that THEY can handle that immense responsibility when their parents and political leaders and scientists cannot agree on 2-3 common rules to follow in order to control the spread? 

There are a lot of words here but I was looking for a number. To understand the situation better.

[caulfield12]

2 hours ago, raBBit said:

There are a lot of words here but I was looking for a number. To understand the situation better.

No numbers or statistics will be convincing.

Neither will election results in November, for 1/4th or even 1/3rd the country.    It’s the world we live in now.  Debate/discussion is pretty much pointless.   Everyone has already chose their respective sides of this argument months if not years ago.

[Balta1701]

by the way, everyone here has noticed that nationwide the number of performed PCR tests dropped by about 10% compared to last week right?

[caulfield12]

 

[JUSTgottaBELIEVE]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/614860/

worth a read. Sounds like we better get used to living with this virus for awhile...

[Dick Allen]

40 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/614860/

worth a read. Sounds like we better get used to living with this virus for awhile...

It’s just going to go away. Believe me.  We just have to wait until it gets warmer.

[JUSTgottaBELIEVE]

15 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

It’s just going to go away. Believe me.  We just have to wait until it gets warmer.

No kidding right.

If what they’re saying is true, this virus will have an enormous societal impact for years to come. We’re going to see elevated levels of unemployment for years, business closures in mass, and a major shift in how we form households (many more stay at home parents). We will also see a lot more home schooling and, if remote learning is retained for an extended period, a major overhaul of the public school system.

[caulfield12]

5 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

No kidding right.

If what they’re saying is true, this virus will have an enormous societal impact for years to come. We’re going to see elevated levels of unemployment for years, business closures in mass, and a major shift in how we form households (many more stay at home parents). We will also see a lot more home schooling and, if remote learning is retained for an extended period, a major overhaul of the public school system.

Not only that, but how we educate, in general...online vs. in-person, access to technology, equalizing opportunity of access, future roles of teachers (can make more money if you're a great teacher reaching hundreds if not thousands online simultaneously).   Educating for "value added" white collar jobs, or refocusing on practical things (in my time, shop/industrial, plumbling, carpentry, the trades, electrical, HVAC, etc.)  25% of the former economy is essentially going to be wiped out.     Then there's renewed US focus on maths/science/STEM, AI, AR, VR, AR and IoT, as well as coding/programming.

 

Bill Gates, the tech billionaire philanthropist who is helping to fund vaccine research for a number of deadly illnesses including COVID-19, is feeling optimistic about COVID-19 treatments and vaccines. 

Thanks to this work, he thinks the pandemic should be under control by the end of 2021 for the world's richest nations and by 2022 for the developing world, he told Wired in an interview.

While that represents record-speed scientific progress, it may be disappointing to think about living in a pandemic for another year or longer.

Meanwhile, Gates warns people not to let their guards down because he thinks COVID-19 could surge again in the fall.

https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-thinks-pandemic-could-over-at-the-end-of-2021-2020-8

Edited August 8, 2020 by caulfield12

[Balta1701]

9 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

No kidding right.

If what they’re saying is true, this virus will have an enormous societal impact for years to come. We’re going to see elevated levels of unemployment for years, business closures in mass, and a major shift in how we form households (many more stay at home parents). We will also see a lot more home schooling and, if remote learning is retained for an extended period, a major overhaul of the public school system.

This remains a choice. We will waste trillions of dollars and suffer a decade long recession, costing tens of trillions of GDP...because doing what everyone else on the planet did was too hard. 

[caulfield12]

https://www.usdebtclock.org
 

Here’s a number for Rabbit.

$26,620,000,000,000.

Added another $1.3 trillion over the weekend with four executive orders, so let’s just call it $28 trillion for now to round it off.

 

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/510973-arizona-teacher-fined-2000-for-quitting-over-in-person-school

Edited August 9, 2020 by caulfield12

[NWINFan]

20 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

No kidding right.

If what they’re saying is true, this virus will have an enormous societal impact for years to come. We’re going to see elevated levels of unemployment for years, business closures in mass, and a major shift in how we form households (many more stay at home parents). We will also see a lot more home schooling and, if remote learning is retained for an extended period, a major overhaul of the public school system.

I agree that the impact is long-term, and the country is still in denial about it. Either you have those who think this is a hoax or not serious, or those who believe a vaccine will solve everything. We as a country need to start thinking in the long-term. Promises made during an election cycle are worthless. This is not going to go away nor will the effects be short-lived. Solutions are hard to come by, but it would be nice if the country had a rational discussion about this. However, we can't even get past the debate about masks.

[caulfield12]

Only during the heart of a pandemic....could such an idea be snuck through without anyone batting an eye,

 

Washington (CNN). White House aides reached out to South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem last year about the process of adding additional presidents to Mount Rushmore, the New York Times reported. 

According to a person familiar who spoke with the Times, Noem then greeted Trump when he arrived in the state for his July Fourth celebrations at the monument with a four-foot replica of Mount Rushmore that included his face. 

Noem has noted before Trump's "dream" to have his face on Mount Rushmore, the Coolidge-era sculpture that features the 60-foot-tall faces of Presidents George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt.

According to a 2018 interview with Noem, the two struck up a conversation about the sculpture in the Oval Office during their first meeting, where she initially thought he was joking. "I started laughing," she said. "He wasn't laughing, so he was totally serious."

"He said, 'Kristi, come on over here. Shake my hand, and so I shook his hand, and I said, 'Mr. President, you should come to South Dakota sometime. We have Mount Rushmore.' And he goes, 'Do you know it's my dream to have my face on Mount Rushmore?'"

Trump also toyed with the idea of adding himself to Mount Rushmore in 2017 at a campaign rally in Youngstown, Ohio.

 

And speaking of that beloved state of South Dakota...

 

Edited August 9, 2020 by caulfield12

[Balta1701]

 

 

[JUSTgottaBELIEVE]

17 hours ago, Balta1701 said:

This remains a choice. We will waste trillions of dollars and suffer a decade long recession, costing tens of trillions of GDP...because doing what everyone else on the planet did was too hard. 

Did you read the article?

[soxfan49]

Lori Lightfoot continues to show that she's a dumbass. She hates that people are crowded on the lake front but has no issue opening bars & folks crowding in them. Hmm, wonder if it has to do with tax income.

[The Beast]

2 hours ago, soxfan49 said:

Lori Lightfoot continues to show that she's a dumbass. She hates that people are crowded on the lake front but has no issue opening bars & folks crowding in them. Hmm, wonder if it has to do with tax income.

What?

[The Beast]

22 hours ago, Balta1701 said:

This remains a choice. We will waste trillions of dollars and suffer a decade long recession, costing tens of trillions of GDP...because doing what everyone else on the planet did was too hard. 

But it is okay to pass a tax cut in 2017 and add to the deficit even after being about the budget in 2012. And now the government is spending a crap ton...what happens after this deal is reached, can we all stomach any more spending or are we on our own?

[soxfan49]

3 minutes ago, The Beast said:

What?

Why is it ok, for Lori Lightfoot, that a bunch of people congregate in a small patio section outside of a bar but when they do on the lakefront, she negatively tweets about it?

[The Beast]

10 minutes ago, soxfan49 said:

Why is it ok, for Lori Lightfoot, that a bunch of people congregate in a small patio section outside of a bar but when they do on the lakefront, she negatively tweets about it?

The potential size of the crowds? Money? If you don’t like her vote her out.