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32 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Meatpacking plants are turning into perfect transmission settings. Low wage workers, limited space, management putting pressure on workers to cover up symptoms and come to work even if they're not feeling well. We've seen Iowa, South Dakota, and Indiana all have meatpacking plants shut down after this over just the past 3-4 days.

We're not fully to harvest season yet even in California, but finding workers to clear fields and doing so in a manner that is even remotely safe will be a challenge, especially when the owners don't want to spend the money on protective equipment. 

Scary stories out there about food shortages coming. Especially no meat. Once we start having to stand in line overnight to be allowed to hoard food ... violence will ensue. Just my opinion. If they are going to stockpile toilet paper (and they haven't stopped hoarding it) wait til they get to the food when it's announced shortages are coming.

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1 hour ago, The Beast said:

So what are the solutions?

1. The owners of those places have to realize that they can either figure out what they need to protect their workers or shut down. It would be nice if they had a functioning federal government to assist.

2. Alternatively, things become more acute this summer and fall. 

I'd say the latter...seems somewhat more likely, but not guaranteed. 

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54 minutes ago, greg775 said:

Scary stories out there about food shortages coming. Especially no meat. Once we start having to stand in line overnight to be allowed to hoard food ... violence will ensue. Just my opinion. If they are going to stockpile toilet paper (and they haven't stopped hoarding it) wait til they get to the food when it's announced shortages are coming.

Household toilet paper demand has increased by about 80% over the past 2 months. It's not hoarding, it's actually that more people are at home and fewer people are at work, so people aren't using the bathroom at work. 

Unless you have one of the large industrial sized dispensers in your house, the factories have to retool to adjust to demand and that takes time.

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57 minutes ago, greg775 said:

Scary stories out there about food shortages coming. Especially no meat. Once we start having to stand in line overnight to be allowed to hoard food ... violence will ensue. Just my opinion. If they are going to stockpile toilet paper (and they haven't stopped hoarding it) wait til they get to the food when it's announced shortages are coming.

Better buy a gun if you want to eat. 

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19 minutes ago, YoYoIsMyHero said:

brb going to inject some disinfectant and then going to the tanning salon 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, YoYoIsMyHero said:

brb going to inject some disinfectant and then going to the tanning salon 

 

Probably thinks this because he is constantly tanning to get that orange glow except for the white goggle area around the eyes.


Btw, Greg, the immigration hold on green cards is not directly correlated with international flights over the last 4-6 weeks...it’s more the lack of demand, intl. route cutbacks and limits on European flights, consolidation in the airline industry.


Now 13 beef/pork processing plants shut down around the US, 30 deaths from that worker community.  Roughly 15% of national pork production shut down.

 

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19 minutes ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

Would you blame Trump if somebody does that and dies?

If he told people to inject bleach and they did it, yes hed have culpability.

He is the President of the US his words matter and have consequences. The best thing he can do is be quiet and let professionals take over.

This isnt about Democrat or Republican anymore, its about trying to salvage ourselves from disaster. He needs to either man up or get out of the way.

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32 minutes ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

Would you blame Trump if somebody does that and dies?

If your son or daughter’s teachers or minister/pastor provided the exact same advice, and one of their classmates or best friends died, who do you think would/should be held accountable?

Let’s imagine just for the sake of argument they are already 18.

 

“You don’t earn trust by telling people how good you did.  You earn it by saying the hard stuff.”

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23 minutes ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

Would you blame Trump if somebody does that and dies?

Would you blame someone for thinking this orange asshole is a complete embarrassment on every possible metric measured?  

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2 hours ago, Balta1701 said:

Household toilet paper demand has increased by about 80% over the past 2 months. It's not hoarding, it's actually that more people are at home and fewer people are at work, so people aren't using the bathroom at work. 

Unless you have one of the large industrial sized dispensers in your house, the factories have to retool to adjust to demand and that takes time.

Originally there was hoarding before stores put limits on it. People panicked and overbought.

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1 hour ago, Soxbadger said:

If he told people to inject bleach and they did it, yes hed have culpability.

He is the President of the US his words matter and have consequences. The best thing he can do is be quiet and let professionals take over.

This isnt about Democrat or Republican anymore, its about trying to salvage ourselves from disaster. He needs to either man up or get out of the way.

Dan Bernstein put it the best. “Listen to doctors and only listen to people who listen to doctors.” The President should take to that advice instead of being on the wrong side of history with not dealing with facts and sending mixed messages.

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“Supposing we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light ... and then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you’re gonna test that,” Trump said, addressing Bryan. “And then I see disinfectant, where it knocks it [coronavirus] out in a minute — one minute — and is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that. So, that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me.”

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5 hours ago, greg775 said:

Scary stories out there about food shortages coming. Especially no meat. Once we start having to stand in line overnight to be allowed to hoard food ... violence will ensue. Just my opinion. If they are going to stockpile toilet paper (and they haven't stopped hoarding it) wait til they get to the food when it's announced shortages are coming.

Stores will put limits on food to stop hoarding. 

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“Bryan, who is the DHS undersecretary for science and technology, is not a medical doctor. Rather, he has a master of science in strategic intelligence from the Joint Military Intelligence College in Washington, D.C. and a bachelor of science in logistics systems management from Colorado Technical University in Colorado Springs, CO, according to his bio.”
 

Why are we not getting advice from real, qualified doctors...?  With each week that passes, we actually get less medical insights and more stream of consciousness political ranting.

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1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said:

“Supposing we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light ... and then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you’re gonna test that,” Trump said, addressing Bryan. “And then I see disinfectant, where it knocks it [coronavirus] out in a minute — one minute — and is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that. So, that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me.”

Donald J Trump

And his supporters say sleepy Joe is the one who has lost it? 

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13 minutes ago, The Beast said:

And his supporters say sleepy Joe is the one who has lost it? 

Isn’t it amazing that the greatest organization of people the world has ever seen (USA) somehow can’t find 2 better candidates than these 2 idiots?  We don’t have better leaders to select from among the 330 million?  

Baffles me every 4 years.  The people gotta take it back one of these days.  

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3 hours ago, Tony said:

Would you blame someone for thinking this orange asshole is a complete embarrassment on every possible metric measured?  

Nope. But I think it was over the top when people blamed him for those idiots drinking coy pond cleaner. There are plenty of things to blame him for and hold him accountable for. Blaming him for everything and anything just gives credence to his "fake news" ramblings and makes his supporters believe it even more. 

If somebody injected themselves with bleach, it would be absurd to blame Trump. 

 

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11 minutes ago, Jerksticks said:

Isn’t it amazing that the greatest organization of people the world has ever seen (USA) somehow can’t find 2 better candidates than these 2 idiots?  We don’t have better leaders to select from among the 330 million?  

Baffles me every 4 years.  The people gotta take it back one of these days.  

I wouldn’t say Biden is an idiot, but I would like to see more legitimate choices without money in politics. Ending Citizens United would be a good start. There’s too much power concentrated in two parties, making independent moderates like me having to have a binary choice - for or against Trump. Instead of picking someone like Buttigieg or another moderate.

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11 minutes ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

Nope. But I think it was over the top when people blamed him for those idiots drinking coy pond cleaner. There are plenty of things to blame him for and hold him accountable for. Blaming him for everything and anything just gives credence to his "fake news" ramblings and makes his supporters believe it even more. 

If somebody injected themselves with bleach, it would be absurd to blame Trump. 

 

>Trump says this thing helps covid-19

>Supporter does thing because POTUS is pushing it even though he doesn't understand it, and gets hurt/dies

>People say Trump is responsible for pushing thing not backed/vetted by science 

>Others say: Fake news. This is why people support Trump!

Politics in 2020 everybody. 

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9 minutes ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

Nope. But I think it was over the top when people blamed him for those idiots drinking coy pond cleaner. There are plenty of things to blame him for and hold him accountable for. Blaming him for everything and anything just gives credence to his "fake news" ramblings and makes his supporters believe it even more. 

If somebody injected themselves with bleach, it would be absurd to blame Trump. 

 

He's the President of the United States. His official public statements should be treated as non-credible ramblings that are inherently dangerous every time they are heard? I'm pretty sure you just stretched so far that you accidentally gave a complete justification for the 25th amendment being invoked. 

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11 minutes ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

Nope. But I think it was over the top when people blamed him for those idiots drinking coy pond cleaner. There are plenty of things to blame him for and hold him accountable for. Blaming him for everything and anything just gives credence to his "fake news" ramblings and makes his supporters believe it even more. 

If somebody injected themselves with bleach, it would be absurd to blame Trump. 

 

So you are trying to argue that people shouldn't be stupid enough to listen to the President. 

Makes sense to me. Too bad 45% of voters are in the cult and not capable. 

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