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For all his bluster, Trump isn't a decisive leader. He often goes with what the last person tells him or he takes his hints from Fox News.

This is one situation he can't con his way out of. He can't keep lying or saying some stupid thing his base wants to grab onto. Tens of thousands of Americans are dying and falling back on his campaigning is no solution. 

It depresses me that Biden is our other choice. He has sexual allegations hanging over his head, and the guy says some weird things himself.  But Donald Trump doesn't belong in the White House. He never did. It is amazing that so many thought he had real solutions to real problems. This isn't a reality show. Performing to get ratings is not going to help.

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1 hour ago, The Beast said:

Very sad indeed. He served his country, which is admirable.

We were nearly at the point of putting my grandmother with alzheimers in assisted living this year and decided to give them more time per my grandfather.

So far I've been lucky with immediate family, because I don't think my dad could survive this. He's near 70 with diabetes and heart disease. It's one of those things where with all of them you are prepared for what's coming for all of them.

But I get so sad reading from the families who've had to deal with death during this time. The lack of funeral, the inability to be there. So important to have some feeling of closure and being there at the end for those relationships and just so terrible for them. 

Basically just talking through the idea that when we deal with the statistics of this, if my dad passed away from it it would be one of those "oh well it's only affecting people with multiple conditions". But dealing with it would be traumatic. Terrible times.

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15 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Why does every Trump supporter default to this when Trump's actions are brought up? I mean Trump talked about having sex with his daughter, and has settled numerous serious sexual allegations, in addition to all of the charges that have been leveled against him.  He has encouraged people in inject Lysol into their system.  If Biden is senile, Trump is mentally ill.

The thing with BIden I definitely underestimated two years ago is many many people already feel like they know how he'll lead since he was just a VP during a time many of them supported. So this whole idea of trying to paint him negatively is going to be harder because he has some of the incumbent benefits without the negatives of being able to be campaigned against as a current incumbent.

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26 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Why does every Trump supporter default to this when Trump's actions are brought up? I mean Trump talked about having sex with his daughter, and has settled numerous serious sexual allegations, in addition to all of the charges that have been leveled against him.  He has encouraged people in inject Lysol into their system.  If Biden is senile, Trump is mentally ill.

The guy asked me why Biden was going to lose. I responded. 

Where did I say I was a Trump supporter? I voted for Hillary. Why do those that have utter disdain for Trump default to this "if you don't criticize every single thing he does, you are with him" crap? 

Keep driving away moderates. 

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10 minutes ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

The guy asked me why Biden was going to lose. I responded. 

Where did I say I was a Trump supporter? I voted for Hillary. Why do those that have utter disdain for Trump default to this "if you don't criticize every single thing he does, you are with him" crap? 

Keep driving away moderates. 

I didn't ask you that, at all. I asked a very simple and clear question. 

What’s worse, Biden saying it on accident, or Trump saying it on purpose? 

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30 minutes ago, NWINFan said:

For all his bluster, Trump isn't a decisive leader. He often goes with what the last person tells him or he takes his hints from Fox News.

This is one situation he can't con his way out of. He can't keep lying or saying some stupid thing his base wants to grab onto. Tens of thousands of Americans are dying and falling back on his campaigning is no solution. 

It depresses me that Biden is our other choice. He has sexual allegations hanging over his head, and the guy says some weird things himself.  But Donald Trump doesn't belong in the White House. He never did. It is amazing that so many thought he had real solutions to real problems. This isn't a reality show. Performing to get ratings is not going to help.

I hope that voters realize that a vote for Biden is a vote for a (hopefully) very strong VP and a competent cabinet.

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12 minutes ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

The guy asked me why Biden was going to lose. I responded. 

Where did I say I was a Trump supporter? I voted for Hillary. Why do those that have utter disdain for Trump default to this "if you don't criticize every single thing he does, you are with him" crap? 

Keep driving away moderates. 

Emm...practically running Bernie Sanders out of the election in the span of 2-3 weeks shows how willing they are to tack to the far far right of liberal/progressive.

Nobody is buying this Biden as socialist crap...not when AOC is arguing they really shouldn’t be in the same party, along with the likes of Joe Manchin and Doug Jones.

Trump’s scathing attacks on women (and female reporters) have gifted the middle of the road suburban soccer moms back to the Dems.   That’s not even counting the foreshadowed threats to ObamaCare, Medicare and Social Security were Trump to win (scaring the elderly to Biden as well).  The African Anerican turnout will beat HRC’s 2016 numbers by a wide margin.

Pete Buttigieg, Klobuchar and Hickenlooper seem like liberals in comparison.

The one big positive of this primary season is that he’s been forced just enough to the left that he’s not going to repel the Sanders/Warren/AOC progressive side of the party enough to prevent them from voting or going with a minor party protest candidate.

 

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12 minutes ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

The guy asked me why Biden was going to lose. I responded. 

Where did I say I was a Trump supporter? I voted for Hillary. Why do those that have utter disdain for Trump default to this "if you don't criticize every single thing he does, you are with him" crap? 

Keep driving away moderates. 

You're right Ron, where would anyone ever get the idea you're a Hillary fan when you spend your days carrying gallons of water from Trump every day on this board? 

I guess that also means you're a huge Abreu fan as well? 

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I think Trump made a big mistake lowering the expected death toll to 60k. He even mentioned 50k a couple of days ago. For his sake, he should have kept it where it was. Then if it is 60k, he looks about as good as a guy who previously said he shut it down and it wouldn't be a problem could look. It's clearly going over 60k, and by the time we actually go to the office, may be where they projected.

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8 hours ago, greg775 said:

It's not your fault but this is a world-changing experience and it is all downhill from here. Why? Germs/virus. They are the hidden killers. And now that they have been proven effective you can bet the ugly countries of China, Russia and North Korea will be creating viruses to continue the work of COVID-19. It's all over and it's not pretty. The food shortages will bring violence and civil unrest. Now I can finally see why people didn't want to give up their guns despite the horror caused by them. They actually may be needed for protection if this thing goes where I envision it going (food shortages leading to fights in overnight lines at stores; invading people's homes, etc).

I will say I hope I'm wrong; I pray I'm wrong. I don't want the world to be a horrible place for the rest of time. I want happiness for all.

But when I read this virus isn't going away; will only worsen this winter and I see a torn apart country with people unwilling to make decisions for the common good but only poliltical agendas, well again badger, I say it's over. Suddenly, out of nowhere we've gone from a country whose worst problems were hurting people's feelings to a serious threat regarding the end of humankind. Just in a few weeks.

(If somebody can talk me off the ledge, please do. Maybe my negativity has been overwhelming since I have been kept from going to church the past six weeks and my mental state is affected by not getting to worship at my favorite place, church. I would love somebody to convince me I am wrong.

 I sense monetary disaster, riots, starvation and an all out germ warefare assault by our enemies (who most of america don't consider our enemies because that would be insensitive/racist). You better believe China wants us dead.

 

Greg,

I do share a portion of the blame. Perhaps if I had done more I could have convinced more people to vote against Trump. I knew the danger that he posed, but I tried to be optimistic that the institutions of the US were strong enough to check the President. That at the worst case scenario we would have 4 years of chaos that resulted in stagnation. I was wrong. With competent leadership we wouldnt be here. We should be the SK and Germany of the world, but instead I am having to go online and try and refresh websites to try and obtain certain supplies that are scarce. 

 

26 minutes ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

The guy asked me why Biden was going to lose. I responded. 

Where did I say I was a Trump supporter? I voted for Hillary. Why do those that have utter disdain for Trump default to this "if you don't criticize every single thing he does, you are with him" crap? 

Keep driving away moderates. 


If you vote for Trump youre not a moderate. History will make it very clear, if anything, we were not critical enough of Trump for the previous 3 years.

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So Pritzker cited that if we opened up in may we would get hit with a second wave.  So explain this to me.  How is opening up in June or July going to change the numbers.  We are seeing the virus spread in warmer climates.  The study says that due to not having a vaccine the minute we open up the virus will skyrocket again.  In fact the model he is using has more deaths than NY which makes zero sense.  So how exactly do we open up if that's the case ever, until there is a vaccine.  

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28 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

The one big positive of this primary season is that he’s been forced just enough to the left that he’s not going to repel the Sanders/Warren/AOC progressive side of the party enough to prevent them from voting or going with a minor party protest candidate.

 

I wouldn’t be so sure. COVID has certainly and understandably dominated the news, but I’ve seen a lot of talk about non-voting or third party votes from progressives/democratic socialists, especially since the Tara Reade allegations.

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10 minutes ago, southsideirish71 said:

So Pritzker cited that if we opened up in may we would get hit with a second wave.  So explain this to me.  How is opening up in June or July going to change the numbers.  We are seeing the virus spread in warmer climates.  The study says that due to not having a vaccine the minute we open up the virus will skyrocket again.  In fact the model he is using has more deaths than NY which makes zero sense.  So how exactly do we open up if that's the case ever, until there is a vaccine.  

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I believe the theory is that you reduce the cases to a low enough number that you can trace and isolate them to stop the out of control spread.

The problem is that the US is so behind on testing. That is why everyone needs to be calling on the federal govt to step up their response and increase testing immediately. The fed has wasted almost 5 months now. We should be reopening, but without a competent federal govt who knows what will happen. 

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13 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said:

I wouldn’t be so sure. COVID has certainly and understandably dominated the news, but I’ve seen a lot of talk about non-voting or third party votes from progressives/democratic socialists, especially since the Tara Reade allegations.

If those voters watched the press conference yesterday and still vote in a way that enables Trump to hold onto power...then NOTHING will convince them.

It means they would essentially prefer to re-elect a President with, what, 27-30 allegations from various women, numerous payoffs, obvious and incontrovertible connections with Epstein, etc.

If Warren is named as VP and the Sanders agenda gets highlighted as much as possible without a national convention...things will smooth out simply because the House of Representatives and Senate wouldn’t get anything significant accomplished during another four years of Trump.

It also means Ivanka Trump running in 2024 against Nikki Haley and Mike Pence.

 

Update:  US Pork supply now down 24% and beef 10%.

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37 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

I think Trump made a big mistake lowering the expected death toll to 60k. He even mentioned 50k a couple of days ago. For his sake, he should have kept it where it was. Then if it is 60k, he looks about as good as a guy who previously said he shut it down and it wouldn't be a problem could look. It's clearly going over 60k, and by the time we actually go to the office, may be where they projected.

Sometimes I wonder if he just states everything, that way he can always take credit for being right.  Its either that or he doesn't remember what he said before.

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3 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

If those voters watched the press conference yesterday and still vote in a way that enables Trump to hold onto power...then NOTHING will convince them.

It means they would essentially prefer to re-elect a President with, what, 27-30 allegations from various women, numerous payoffs, obvious and incontrovertible connections with Epstein, etc.

If Warren is named as VP and the Sanders agenda gets highlighted as much as possible without a national convention...things will smooth out simply because the House of Representatives and Senate wouldn’t get anything significant accomplished during another four years of Trump.

It also means Ivanka Trump running in 2024 against Nikki Haley and Mike Pence.

Would Warren accept given his recent allegations? It would go against everything she stands for. Given, she is more of an establishment candidate than she wants everybody to believe. 

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5 minutes ago, Soxbadger said:

I believe the theory is that you reduce the cases to a low enough number that you can trace and isolate them to stop the out of control spread.

The problem is that the US is so behind on testing. That is why everyone needs to be calling on the federal govt to step up their response and increase testing immediately. The fed has wasted almost 5 months now. We should be reopening, but without a competent federal govt who knows what will happen. 

This is where the US failed more than anything in the two months between the situation getting serious in China and the outbreak really getting to pandemic standards in March.  Even if we didn't have preparations in place, such as testing, facilities, and PPE, those two months were when we should have been ramping up.  The Congressional Brief's were scary enough that multiple members of Congress sold stock against it, so even if a few randomly selected public statements were trying to be soothing, there was plenty of information indicating that the Government people who actually understood this stuff knew this was really serious and really dangerous.

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1 minute ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

Would Warren accept given his recent allegations? It would go against everything she stands for. Given, she is more of an establishment candidate than she wants everybody to believe. 

Politicians sell out there morals to win and gain power.  Everything about Mike Pence is contra to Donald Trump.  Given the opportunity, he jumped in a heartbeat, and is one of his biggest cheerleaders today.

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5 minutes ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

Would Warren accept given his recent allegations? It would go against everything she stands for. Given, she is more of an establishment candidate than she wants everybody to believe. 

One could argue that the entire Democratic Party is already doing so by embracing and endorsing a rapist, so I guess it wouldn't surprise me if the VP pick is seen as progressive.

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21 minutes ago, southsideirish71 said:

So Pritzker cited that if we opened up in may we would get hit with a second wave.  So explain this to me.  How is opening up in June or July going to change the numbers.  We are seeing the virus spread in warmer climates.  The study says that due to not having a vaccine the minute we open up the virus will skyrocket again.  In fact the model he is using has more deaths than NY which makes zero sense.  So how exactly do we open up if that's the case ever, until there is a vaccine.  

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the orders buy us time to:

- Ramp up testing

- Build up medical bed capacity

- Build up PPE

You are currently at 20% of tests showing as positive. That's missin ga lot and still indicating we are still testing only based on symptoms. When we get down to something like 2-3% ideally then we'll be much better at preventing massive growth.

We are currently at 1-2k per day at current levels. If you open up it goes much higher very quickly. By the end of may they expect a decline in those numbers through the build up of PPE ideally into places like plants, groceries, first responders and medical professionals. 

We are in better shape from where we were in march but not that much better in terms of infrastructure. They added 10k or so beds. But testing at 8k is still not where it needs to be, and ppe is still limited to medical professionals though from my friends anecdotes it has not been rationed among first line workers recently.

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2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Sometimes I wonder if he just states everything, that way he can always take credit for being right.  Its either that or he doesn't remember what he said before.

Now he can simply blame Brian Kemp in Georgia (still hard to imagine losing the state, maybe 25% likelihood if there’s a huge second wave that shuts everything down or even a combined fall/winter Covid/flu one), DeBlasio, Hogan, Pritzker, Polis in Colorado, etc.    And “coastal elites” in general...

Another immense problem is he’s already tethered to DeSantis in FLA.

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1 minute ago, bmags said:

the orders buy us time to:

- Ramp up testing

- Build up medical bed capacity

- Build up PPE

You are currently at 20% of tests showing as positive. That's missin ga lot and still indicating we are still testing only based on symptoms. When we get down to something like 2-3% ideally then we'll be much better at preventing massive growth.

We are currently at 1-2k per day at current levels. If you open up it goes much higher very quickly. By the end of may they expect a decline in those numbers through the build up of PPE ideally into places like plants, groceries, first responders and medical professionals. 

We are in better shape from where we were in march but not that much better in terms of infrastructure. They added 10k or so beds. But testing at 8k is still not where it needs to be, and ppe is still limited to medical professionals though from my friends anecdotes it has not been rationed among first line workers recently.

also important is we need a national strategy on these because when our southern states decide the doors are open and they don’t have testing or isolation capacity, they are going to create 5 or 10 more peaks in their own states, and those will be exported along the roads. But since that’s not happening....well...

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8 minutes ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

Would Warren accept given his recent allegations? It would go against everything she stands for. Given, she is more of an establishment candidate than she wants everybody to believe. 

I think so...because her expertise in economics/consumer protection/law is going to come in especially handy going into Great Depression II, not to mention her policy wonkiness covers for some of his obvious weaknesses.

Whitmer, Klobuchar and Harris continue to hover near top, with Cortez Masto (NV) and Lujan Grisham (NM) in the underdog position.

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The virus almost seems manufactured in that younger people and kids in some cases are not only immune to the virus but unable to even carry it especially with how cancer and autoimmune disorders are increasing and not sparing these age groups.   

I am not saying it is a conspiracy but it will make for a fascinating read someday.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

I think so...because her expertise in economics/consumer protection/law is going to come in especially handy going into Great Depression II, not to mention her policy wonkiness covers for some of his obvious weaknesses.

Whitmer, Klobuchar and Harris continue to hover near top, with Cortez Masto (NV) and Lujan Grisham (NM) in the underdog position.

That is also one reason why we want Warren in the Senate where she is working on legislation.

Also important, Massachusetts has a Republican Governor, so if Warren gives up that seat in January then when the Republicans decide that deficits are bad and vaccines shouldn’t go to people who can’t afford them like they did in the last crisis, that vote is huge.

Stacy Abrams avoids many of those issues and is probably just as well prepared, although less experienced.

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