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12 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

I have to re-convince myself every day that those who are unwilling to listen will one day, eventually, realize the truth of what is happening to their country.

Yes, I realize the odds of Greg reading Noam Chomsky are probably 1 in 10,000.  Perhaps less.  And there’s not going to be any hardcore Trump supporters changing their minds, that much is certain.

But it’s worth it to me if just a FEW become more open-minded.

I have zero illusions about Joe Biden even being able to reset the world back to November of 2016.   I was a high school senior in 1988 back when he first ran and I participated in the Iowa caucus.   I didn’t like him then, not do I particularly like him now.

But something has to change, eventually.  

The country can’t keep going on this way and continue to be a shining beacon for the rest of the world, the greatest remaining hope for the future.

 

Maybe it doesn’t matter.  That’s fine, too.   Next Thursday I have to do the nose swab and nucleic acid test here in Wuhan despite not going outside once since January 20th.   Every teacher and student needs to do that before we can all go back to school on May 11th.   Then my life will finally return to the new normal and I won’t have nearly as much free time.   I will spend an hour each way going back and forth to work.  So you can relax and turn your focus to bigger problems in the world than me.

Good luck.

Didn't mean it as a slight or insult.  It was intended as a lighthearted jest.  Sorry if I did it in the wrong way.

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2 hours ago, NWINFan said:

It is time to have some common sense in the current political debate. But you won't get that as long as Trump is in the White House. People are dying by the tens of thousands and whistle dick Jared is talking about all the successes. Why is he even near a position of power? He is not even a functioning adult.

And Democrats? It is time to find an alternative to Biden. Instead of endorsements, they should be looking for another nominee. Way to go, Hillary.

The American political system is letting us down during the biggest crisis in our history. I don't care about the politics of it. We are up against it. This is bigger than Trump, McConnell or Biden. I am starting to think that McConnell is worse than Trump. That man is corrupt, as corrupt as anyone can be.

People keep saying this.  It isn't remotely close to true.  This country, has several time, been on the brink of not existing. This kind of hyperbole helps people to dismiss that this is a serious crisis.  

 

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In the middle of a pandemic where the death toll went over 60k yesterday, this is what Trump tweeted about:

Michael Flynn

CNN

MSNBC

Brian Williams

Don Lemon

Joe Scarbourough

Sweden

Roger Stone

His poll numbers

Jim Comey

Hillary Clinton's campaign.

 

My God this is insane.

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He's playing to a bigger than we imagine base. I would argue he is the best political strategist in my life time. 

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8 minutes ago, Texsox said:

He's playing to a bigger than we imagine base. I would argue he is the best political strategist in my life time. 

If he were the best, he wouldn't be in this mess.

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Just now, southsider2k5 said:

It is so depressing.

At this point politics is not the issue. Donald's behavior and comments show he is not up to the task. He may not even want the job. 

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2 hours ago, bmags said:

I want to throw some of the opposite out.

While the federal government has been often terrible here in the places i think it can make the biggest impact (purchasing power, borrowing)

- State and local governments have been doing quite well in addressing the pandemic, including some very ambitious and amazing work to get additional PPE and testing set-up. 

- The American people have answered the call, doing a very good job as a whole of staying inside. We can get upset all we want about the isolated stories, but in the times i've had to drive around - chicago is empty. My dad is in raleigh. Had a march of hundreds being idiots - but raleigh is empty. My mom is in SC, should be heart of the antagonistic audience right? Her town is empty. People have been sewing their own masks, buying medical workers lunches, donating to causes. 

- The federal reserve has been doing everything possible and incredibly dynamic to address anything within its power to ensure this does not only not become a financial crisis, but work to get money into hands of organizations that typically don't interact with the Fed. You also have the fed pushing HARD on the fed government to inject more money to cover the losses, ruining arguments that worry about borrowing now.

- Congress deployed trillions within a month. It isn't enough, and could have been designed better, but in 2008 it took a year to fully respond and it was much less robust. It has taken a while to get money out, but that isn't just a US problem. 

- Tech companies did a pretty remarkable job to protect their workers and sound alarms of the severity before many, and may have saved many in california. Connectivity has been remarkable despite the surge. As a whole, companies have had priorities in right place, and it's fine to argue against those that have not. 

It's not enough and people should demand more because more can be given, a lot more in terms of resources to help people and businesses recover.

obviously, the admin has been garbage and antagonistic to much of this work, but a lot of this country has mobilized very positively.

This is all fair. 

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2 hours ago, Tony said:

EXACTLY. Ok, lets just say for the sake of being bat-shit crazy this was all a hoax to someone hurt the President.......who was smart enough to organize this all and get China, Italy, and basically the rest of the world together to "organize" this setup? George Soros? Bill Gates? 

Come on...

Yep.  If you want to convince me that this was a plot to get Trump, tell me why both allies and enemies went along with it.  Then we can talk conspiracy.  For the record, Putin has even endorsed Trump, and again for his re-election.

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46 minutes ago, turnin' two said:

People keep saying this.  It isn't remotely close to true.  This country, has several time, been on the brink of not existing. This kind of hyperbole helps people to dismiss that this is a serious crisis.  

 

There is enough imaginary hyperbole that this kind of a post on a message board is 100% meaningless.

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22 minutes ago, Texsox said:

He's playing to a bigger than we imagine base. I would argue he is the best political strategist in my life time. 

I spent a lot of my life convinced that Bill Clinton was the most effective con-artist of my lifetime.  I now have a new #1.

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2 hours ago, The Beast said:

It’s an argument I acknowledge, but one I don’t necessarily agree with.

 

lol numbers are numbers man, this isn't a subjective thing. Sweden's fatality rates is many times higher than the other countries in Scandanavia, and substantially higher than the US rate as well. You can agree or disagree on the approach, but the numbers are there whether you like them or not. It is simply reality.

 

46 minutes ago, turnin' two said:

People keep saying this.  It isn't remotely close to true.  This country, has several time, been on the brink of not existing. This kind of hyperbole helps people to dismiss that this is a serious crisis.  

 

I agree. Certainly it might be the deepest crisis the country has faced in the lifetimes of some younger folks, that is true. But this "ever" thing reflects a very poor understanding of US history.

 

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3 minutes ago, turnin' two said:

Except that people seem to believe it.

Sure.  And they also believe that this is a democratic media hoax.  A an exaggeration versus an outright lie.  If you are believing the big one, the small one doesn't really matter.

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26 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

If he were the best, he wouldn't be in this mess.

He's president of the US. He can be in a mess like this and his base LOVES him. LOVES him. They will fight tooth and nail for him. The loyalty he has created is beyond anything I've seen in my lifetime. He wasn't exaggerating when he said he could shoot someone. 

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3 minutes ago, Texsox said:

He's president of the US. He can be in a mess like this and his base LOVES him. LOVES him. They will fight tooth and nail for him. The loyalty he has created is beyond anything I've seen in my lifetime. He wasn't exaggerating when he said he could shoot someone. 

I agree. The reality is that people are irrational by nature, and he plays this really well to his advantage. His critics feel great when they criticize him and his supporters. His supporters double down because they feel they and their leader are being unfairly attacked. Thus reinforcing the loop.

In essence, by making everything about him, he can move every issue from "how can we solve this problem" to "how can we signal that we are better politically than the other side." Good politics for sure. Good leadership? Well...

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28 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Sure.  And they also believe that this is a democratic media hoax.  A an exaggeration versus an outright lie.  If you are believing the big one, the small one doesn't really matter.

That doesn't mean you shouldn't point it out.  

But it really isn't worth this much conversation I guess.  Its just a silly thing to say at a time where a lot of silly things are being said.  So I guess you're right. 

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25 minutes ago, Texsox said:

He's president of the US. He can be in a mess like this and his base LOVES him. LOVES him. They will fight tooth and nail for him. The loyalty he has created is beyond anything I've seen in my lifetime. He wasn't exaggerating when he said he could shoot someone. 

Right, but those people aren't the majority, and a lot of people who do kiss his ass, I am sure can't stand him, but chose party over country and the R, even though like the rest of Trump, is fake in his case, rules.

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7 hours ago, Kyyle23 said:

It honestly never occurred to me that The Walking Dead might have started because boomers couldn't get their haircuts

So we think it's important for mental health and you are a champion of mental health. Oh that's right, only for certain people? So is mental health important or not? Can you answer? 

My response is appropriate by the way because you started this "altercation" with your insensitive response. We're offering solutions to business owners troubles. Certain amount of people in the shops, six feet apart at all times, holding masks to face to block transmission. Our solutions don't matter right? Stay in at all costs to the economy and mental health.

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33 minutes ago, turnin' two said:

That doesn't mean you shouldn't point it out.  

But it really isn't worth this much conversation I guess.  Its just a silly thing to say at a time where a lot of silly things are being said.  So I guess you're right. 

It is a discussion worth having at some level, but it is one that should start with the President.

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54 minutes ago, Texsox said:

He's president of the US. He can be in a mess like this and his base LOVES him. LOVES him. They will fight tooth and nail for him. The loyalty he has created is beyond anything I've seen in my lifetime. He wasn't exaggerating when he said he could shoot someone. 

He is quite literally causing people to kill themselves, but hey what about Obama.

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1 minute ago, greg775 said:

So we think it's important for mental health and you are a champion of mental health. Oh that's right, only for certain people? So is mental health important or not? Can you answer? 

Are you honestly trying to tell me that your mental health depends on a f@#$ing haircut?  That is a kick in the nuts to those who actually struggle with mental health.  You should be ashamed of a statement like this.

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5 hours ago, Texsox said:

Starve and die with long hair or get a gun -- it's your choice. We need you out there helping to spread the virus. Without volunteers like you the virus will wither and die. Even in the US there are still vast areas with no reported cases. That's unacceptable. We need people infected and moving around. This is your destiny. This is your moment in time. Go get that hair cut. Someone has to have an underground barbershop in Kansas. Resist the man and his attempt to stop this virus. 

Take care greg775 and thank you for always taking on the toughest points of view. 

How come I don't get credit for OBEYING. Can't I say I want a haircut and need a haircut on a message board? People can ignore my takes if they wish. I have obeyed all orders. I've not had a close conversation with a real person outside of the phone for weeks after weeks. Yes I go to the drive thru for coffee. Is it allowed for me to do so? Yes.

Can I help it we've gone from the most free, carefree land to being locked up in the last six weeks? Excuse me for having mental problems not getting used to 24/7 isolation. I thought mental health mattered to all individuals. I may have moaned on here some. Do you not have time to read my posts and dismiss them? They are that annoying?

I have obeyed 100 percent. Do I want to go to church? Hell yes. Or get a haircut? Hell yes? Have I done it? No. And yes I know of a place I can get a secret haircut. I haven't done it yet. 

p.s. It's a danger IMO to let these governors act like dictators. We are not assured freedom unless we keep them at bay a bit. They are not supreme powers!! They are acting like they love this power.

Bless America! As we continue to isolate.

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4 minutes ago, greg775 said:

So we think it's important for mental health and you are a champion of mental health. Oh that's right, only for certain people? So is mental health important or not? Can you answer? 

My response is appropriate by the way because you started this "altercation" with your insensitive response. We're offering solutions to business owners troubles. Certain amount of people in the shops, six feet apart at all times, holding masks to face to block transmission. Our solutions don't matter right? Stay in at all costs to the economy and mental health.

On one hand, you can't get a haircut.

On the other hand, healthcare workers will likely be dealing with PTSD from this for years, if not their entire lives. States that opened up early for haircuts will probably have second spikes, burdening those healthcare workers even more. I don't need to link the story of the doctor who died from suicide.

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3 minutes ago, Quin said:

On one hand, you can't get a haircut.

On the other hand, healthcare workers will likely be dealing with PTSD from this for years, if not their entire lives. States that opened up early for haircuts will probably have second spikes, burdening those healthcare workers even more. I don't need to link the story of the doctor who died from suicide.

My mental health revolves around the need to shoot my AK47 into the air randomly.  If a bullet comes down and hits someone, too bad, beacuse my mental health.

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