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5 minutes ago, bmags said:

What a day!

29300 tests

2268 positive cases

7.7% positive rate, a new low.

100 fewer people on ventilators than last week, hospitalization declining.

 

Another encouraging note, just in my small sample size, I take a walk around the neighborhood for lunch, and the amount of mask wearers is growing substantially. Today, I only saw 1 person without a mask, and he was a guy that had to be at least 85, with a cane, walking a dog. Everyone else, covered. I was very happy.

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33 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

Would people be wearing gloves while playing tennis? Every player touches the ball, the virus could be on the ground where it could get on the ball. You are sweating,s oo probably touching your face. 

These things are all very unlikely. Worst issue is the group getting together to talk at midcourt.

Surface transmission continues to see very low reports, I think outdoor tennis is good. As caulfield said, main concern is air conditioning flow indoors. They are certainly way more spread out than an indoor exercise class, with max of 4 players over a huge space. But the heavy breathing is a concern. We will see but I'd tend to believe it's not that terrible to reopen.

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51 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Sure, but that is the whole point.  We think we might see some things or patterns, but when you say long term effects, there is no way of knowing since the oldest cases are 6 months old.

That's not what I meant. I meant are people that don't get very sick having lung damage, other organ damage like people who do get very sick? Has anyone looked into this? 

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Latest study suggests CBD concentrate may block CV proteins from reaching Ace2 receptor sites with significant risk reduction. Of course there are hundreds of ongoing projects but this one would be easy to adopt. The study includes hemp extracts. 

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2 hours ago, Balta1701 said:

Yeah, the spaces are big, but at the same time I think about people in a big room where they're doing cardio or dance or whatever else was sampled in that study. Those aren't small rooms, maybe not the size of a tennis court...but one person came into the room and literally everyone in the room was infected. That means in 30-60 minutes, even in a big room, they're getting an enormous dose of the stuff spread around.  Yeah, a bigger tennis court and both people wearing masks maybe you drop the chance from 100% to something lower, but that's one I wouldn't do. There's no athletic activity indoors I can think of that is safe unless everyone in the building has done a 14 day quarantine.

This is one of the cases where I feel like people are using the 6 foot distance as a crutch, to justify things that really aren't all that safe in the details. 

 

2 hours ago, Dick Allen said:

Would people be wearing gloves while playing tennis? Every player touches the ball, the virus could be on the ground where it could get on the ball. You are sweating,s oo probably touching your face. 

There won't be masks for tennis, that just won't work. Masks to get to the open court, then they would come off. Gloves are a good point, because of the ball, yeah. That can work and I probably will do that. And yes, no touching faces!

 

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27 minutes ago, pcq said:

Latest study suggests CBD concentrate may block CV proteins from reaching Ace2 receptor sites with significant risk reduction. Of course there are hundreds of ongoing projects but this one would be easy to adopt. The study includes hemp extracts. 

Haircuts are taboo.

People are working from home.

And now marijuana may save us all.

The hippies moment is now.

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Wow go read Doc Graham's Instagram post ... can't copy it here, wouldn't let me copy, paste. ...

So turns out masks are controversial. He calls them "absurd ... they encourage the fornite transmission ("infected articles") to hand to face transmission of the virus. So go ahead and allow idiots to delude and mislead you to the false sense of security - and danger - of masks." 

You can find Graham's full quote on Twitter if you don't want to Instagram.

Personally I'm glad to see masks losing momentum. It's common sense that you are going to touch your face more with a damn mask on and the mask is going to be moist from your mouth and that is NOT GOOD!! It's very simplistic to say a shield, a mask will keep covid out. Doesn't appear to be that way.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/former-neurosurgeon-masks-ineffective

Also another thing I read: 

 “It seems kind of intuitively obvious that if you put something—whether it’s a scarf or a mask—in front of your nose and mouth, that will filter out some of these viruses that are floating around out there,” says Dr. William Schaffner, professor of medicine in the division of infectious diseases at Vanderbilt University. The only problem: that’s not likely to be effective against respiratory illnesses like the flu and COVID-19. If it were, “the CDC would have recommended it years ago,” he says. “It doesn’t, because it makes science-based recommendations.”

The science, according to the CDC, says that surgical masks won’t stop the wearer from inhaling small airborne particles, which can cause infection. Nor do these masks form a snug seal around the face. The CDC recommends surgical masks only for people who already show symptoms of coronavirus and must go outside, since wearing a mask can help prevent spreading the virus by protecting others nearby when you cough or sneeze. The agency also recommends these masks for caregivers of people infected with the virus.

Just trying to say there is controversy over masks and I do not like them. Common sense is my mask is full of moistness, wet crap from the mouth after even 15 minutes and I'm adjusting it and touching my face way more with a mask on than off. Before the mask mania hit, I NEVER touched my face once during Corona crisis, now I touch it all the time.

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39 minutes ago, greg775 said:

Hmmm what do you think of this story. Corona is not being spread from being on surfaces

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/05/21/coronavirus-news-what-cdc-saying-covid-19-surfaces/5235317002/

The CDC is out to get revenge on Trump.  Deep state!   Fake news!    Or the CDC has been sidelined for so long that nobody’s going to actually pay attention (Dr. Laura Mesonnier spooked the markets speaking out of turn and then the “everyone who wants a test can get one” fiasco in Atlanta) so Trump now won’t give then credit for anything, even if it leads to more confidence in reopening...because, politics.  Yet he won’t fire Drs. Redfield and Azar because that would make him look even more incompetent.

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41 minutes ago, greg775 said:

Hmmm what do you think of this story. Corona is not being spread from being on surfaces

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/05/21/coronavirus-news-what-cdc-saying-covid-19-surfaces/5235317002/

greg, I don't know if you have me on ignore or not, but I hope you read this.

The article does NOT say "Corona is not being spread from being on surfaces"

The updated CDC guidelines state: 

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From touching surfaces or objects. It may be possible that a person can get COVID-19 by touching a surface or object that has the virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose, or possibly their eyes. This is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads, but we are still learning more about this virus.

Additionally, it goes on to explicitly state:

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The virus that causes COVID-19 is spreading very easily and sustainably between people. Information from the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic suggest that this virus is spreading more efficiently than influenza, but not as efficiently as measles, which is highly contagious.

 

The point is, you shouldn't read that link and think "Oh ok, I can't get Corona by touching a package." Lastly, and most importantly, they make it crystal clear data is continually changing as our guidelines. It's great to stay on top of the most recent data, but you have to be careful with how you interpret and phrase the data. 

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4 minutes ago, greg775 said:

Wow go read Doc Graham's Instagram post ... can't copy it here, wouldn't let me copy, paste. ...

So turns out masks are controversial. He calls them "absurd ... they encourage the fornite transmission ("infected articles") to hand to face transmission of the virus. So go ahead and allow idiots to delude and mislead you to the false sense of security - and danger - of masks." 

You can find Graham's full quote on Twitter if you don't want to Instagram.

Personally I'm glad to see masks losing momentum. It's common sense that you are going to touch your face more with a damn mask on and the mask is going to be moist from your mouth and that is NOT GOOD!! It's very simplistic to say a shield, a mask will keep covid out. Doesn't appear to be that way.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/former-neurosurgeon-masks-ineffective

Also another thing I read: 

 “It seems kind of intuitively obvious that if you put something—whether it’s a scarf or a mask—in front of your nose and mouth, that will filter out some of these viruses that are floating around out there,” says Dr. William Schaffner, professor of medicine in the division of infectious diseases at Vanderbilt University. The only problem: that’s not likely to be effective against respiratory illnesses like the flu and COVID-19. If it were, “the CDC would have recommended it years ago,” he says. “It doesn’t, because it makes science-based recommendations.”

The science, according to the CDC, says that surgical masks won’t stop the wearer from inhaling small airborne particles, which can cause infection. Nor do these masks form a snug seal around the face. The CDC recommends surgical masks only for people who already show symptoms of coronavirus and must go outside, since wearing a mask can help prevent spreading the virus by protecting others nearby when you cough or sneeze. The agency also recommends these masks for caregivers of people infected with the virus.

Just trying to say there is controversy over masks and I do not like them. Common sense is my mask is full of moistness, wet crap from the mouth after even 15 minutes and I'm adjusting it and touching my face way more with a mask on than off. Before the mask mania hit, I NEVER touched my face once during Corona crisis, now I touch it all the time.

LITERALLY NO ONE IS SAYING WEARING A MASK KEEPS YOU FROM CATCHING IT.

EVERYONE IS SAYING WEARING A MASK CUTS DOWN ON THE AMOUNT OF IT YOU BREATHE OUT AFTER YOU'RE SICK.

IT DOESN'T HELP YOU, IT HELPS EVERYONE ELSE. 

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23 minutes ago, greg775 said:

Wow go read Doc Graham's Instagram post ... can't copy it here, wouldn't let me copy, paste. ...

So turns out masks are controversial. He calls them "absurd ... they encourage the fornite transmission ("infected articles") to hand to face transmission of the virus. So go ahead and allow idiots to delude and mislead you to the false sense of security - and danger - of masks." 

You can find Graham's full quote on Twitter if you don't want to Instagram.

Personally I'm glad to see masks losing momentum. It's common sense that you are going to touch your face more with a damn mask on and the mask is going to be moist from your mouth and that is NOT GOOD!! It's very simplistic to say a shield, a mask will keep covid out. Doesn't appear to be that way.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/former-neurosurgeon-masks-ineffective

Also another thing I read: 

 “It seems kind of intuitively obvious that if you put something—whether it’s a scarf or a mask—in front of your nose and mouth, that will filter out some of these viruses that are floating around out there,” says Dr. William Schaffner, professor of medicine in the division of infectious diseases at Vanderbilt University. The only problem: that’s not likely to be effective against respiratory illnesses like the flu and COVID-19. If it were, “the CDC would have recommended it years ago,” he says. “It doesn’t, because it makes science-based recommendations.”

The science, according to the CDC, says that surgical masks won’t stop the wearer from inhaling small airborne particles, which can cause infection. Nor do these masks form a snug seal around the face. The CDC recommends surgical masks only for people who already show symptoms of coronavirus and must go outside, since wearing a mask can help prevent spreading the virus by protecting others nearby when you cough or sneeze. The agency also recommends these masks for caregivers of people infected with the virus.

Just trying to say there is controversy over masks and I do not like them. Common sense is my mask is full of moistness, wet crap from the mouth after even 15 minutes and I'm adjusting it and touching my face way more with a mask on than off. Before the mask mania hit, I NEVER touched my face once during Corona crisis, now I touch it all the time.

Doc “Moonlight” Graham is dead!

He went to be with his Alecia in 1965, and nobody’s going to tell me different.



https://twitter.com/Shawington/status/1263277013344964608?s=20

And this guy who “invented” e-mail asserts masks don’t work...because he went to MIT, has a PhD and is running for office, he must be right

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32 minutes ago, NorthSideSox72 said:

 

There won't be masks for tennis, that just won't work. Masks to get to the open court, then they would come off. Gloves are a good point, because of the ball, yeah. That can work and I probably will do that. And yes, no touching faces!

 

If you can't have people masked, then yeah, indoor tennis would be very likely to transmit, regardless of the distance. If 100 people in a fitness studio can get it from 1 person, then it's going to get from one partner to the other during an hour of high effort exercise. 

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45 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

If you can't have people masked, then yeah, indoor tennis would be very likely to transmit, regardless of the distance. If 100 people in a fitness studio can get it from 1 person, then it's going to get from one partner to the other during an hour of high effort exercise. 

Breaking:  Montgomery, Alabama...shocking...starting to run out of ICU beds today/tonight.
 

How the hell does one play tennis with gloves on during the summer...with those copper compression ones they’re constantly hawking on MSNBC?    Either you’re going to lose grip on the racquet and it will fly out of your hands (cloth ones), or you’re going to accidentally wipe the sweat away from your eyes after absorbing it into the leather (plus constantly touching the ball).   Every player has one ball that only they serve with?  How practical is that?   Otherwise, you’re going to be like Willie McGee and wiping your face with your sleeves constantly...

Try batting gloves?

Well, I guess still better than racquetball, handball or wall ball...

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55 minutes ago, greg775 said:

Wow go read Doc Graham's Instagram post ... can't copy it here, wouldn't let me copy, paste. ...

So turns out masks are controversial. He calls them "absurd ... they encourage the fornite transmission ("infected articles") to hand to face transmission of the virus. So go ahead and allow idiots to delude and mislead you to the false sense of security - and danger - of masks." 

You can find Graham's full quote on Twitter if you don't want to Instagram.

Personally I'm glad to see masks losing momentum. It's common sense that you are going to touch your face more with a damn mask on and the mask is going to be moist from your mouth and that is NOT GOOD!! It's very simplistic to say a shield, a mask will keep covid out. Doesn't appear to be that way.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/former-neurosurgeon-masks-ineffective

Also another thing I read: 

 “It seems kind of intuitively obvious that if you put something—whether it’s a scarf or a mask—in front of your nose and mouth, that will filter out some of these viruses that are floating around out there,” says Dr. William Schaffner, professor of medicine in the division of infectious diseases at Vanderbilt University. The only problem: that’s not likely to be effective against respiratory illnesses like the flu and COVID-19. If it were, “the CDC would have recommended it years ago,” he says. “It doesn’t, because it makes science-based recommendations.”

The science, according to the CDC, says that surgical masks won’t stop the wearer from inhaling small airborne particles, which can cause infection. Nor do these masks form a snug seal around the face. The CDC recommends surgical masks only for people who already show symptoms of coronavirus and must go outside, since wearing a mask can help prevent spreading the virus by protecting others nearby when you cough or sneeze. The agency also recommends these masks for caregivers of people infected with the virus.

Just trying to say there is controversy over masks and I do not like them. Common sense is my mask is full of moistness, wet crap from the mouth after even 15 minutes and I'm adjusting it and touching my face way more with a mask on than off. Before the mask mania hit, I NEVER touched my face once during Corona crisis, now I touch it all the time.

Trolling, trollin, trollin, keep those gregs trollin, TROLLHIDE.

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1 hour ago, pcq said:

Latest study suggests CBD concentrate may block CV proteins from reaching Ace2 receptor sites with significant risk reduction. Of course there are hundreds of ongoing projects but this one would be easy to adopt. The study includes hemp extracts. 

Cool I’m safe

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3 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

Trolling, trollin, trollin, keep those gregs trollin, TROLLHIDE.

Well, Clint Eastwood got his break with that show...and needed a haircut.   But can Greg also carry on a conversation with an empty chair?

“Remember Pig Pen, who had a cloud of dust around him at all times?” Ann Arbor resident Joe Miriani asked The Daily Beast. “That’s what the virus is like. A mask isn’t going to stop that.

 

(CNN)  Sweden has revealed that despite adopting more relaxed measures to control coronavirus, only 7.3% of people in Stockholm had developed the antibodies needed to fight the disease by late April.

The figure, which Sweden's Public Health Authority confirmed to CNN, is roughly similar to other countries that have data and well below the 70-90% needed to create "herd immunity" in a population.

It comes after the country adopted a very different strategy to stop the spread of coronavirus to other countries by only imposing very light restrictions on daily life.

Sweden's chief epidemiologist Anders Tegnell said the number was a "little lower" than expected "but not remarkably lower, maybe one or a couple of percent."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/21/health/sweden-herd-immunity-coronavirus-intl/index.html

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2 hours ago, Balta1701 said:

LITERALLY NO ONE IS SAYING WEARING A MASK KEEPS YOU FROM CATCHING IT.

EVERYONE IS SAYING WEARING A MASK CUTS DOWN ON THE AMOUNT OF IT YOU BREATHE OUT AFTER YOU'RE SICK.

IT DOESN'T HELP YOU, IT HELPS EVERYONE ELSE. 

Beat me to it.  I feel like that is the part that most people that are protesting and refusing to wear a mask don't understand.  It was never to protect you...it is to protect the people you interact with in case you are someone that is asymptomatic.

All these Karen idiots refusing to wear masks at stores in public places just blow my mind.  It is called PUBLIC health....meaning for the general PUBLIC.  What you do in your own house is your own business but when you are in PUBLIC you should follow PUBLIC guidelines.

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4 hours ago, BFirebird said:

PUBLIC

Many, many, many Americans will interchange that word with, like, Stalinism. 

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Russia coronavirus chief:  “Those meant to die will die.  Everyone dies.”

 

Alexander Myasnikov, previously a celebrity doctor, made the controversial comments during an interview with pro-Putin pundit Vladimir Solovyov, broadcast on Tuesday:

The infection will still take its toll, and we’ll all get it. Those meant to die will die. Everyone dies. Even if it’s coronavirus, so what? Of course, you need to get a test to avoid infecting others, but you do understand it’s an illusion. We’ll run out of tests if everyone runs out to check after every sneeze.

 

https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2020/05/21/russia-coronavirus-chief-those-meant-die-will-die/

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8 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Russia coronavirus chief:  “Those meant to die will die.  Everyone dies.”

 

Alexander Myasnikov, previously a celebrity doctor, made the controversial comments during an interview with pro-Putin pundit Vladimir Solovyov, broadcast on Tuesday:

The infection will still take its toll, and we’ll all get it. Those meant to die will die. Everyone dies. Even if it’s coronavirus, so what? Of course, you need to get a test to avoid infecting others, but you do understand it’s an illusion. We’ll run out of tests if everyone runs out to check after every sneeze.

 

https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2020/05/21/russia-coronavirus-chief-those-meant-die-will-die/

a.) I really don't want to die from coronavirus. That will suck if some b.s. disease created suspiciously is what takes me from earth. Hope I don't die and you all don't die from this.

b.) Well, it's official. The hatred Americans have toward each other is out of control. Some young man at a nursing home in Detroit is caught on tape beating the hell out of an old lady patient. They arrested him later. Hopefully he'll get life in prison. ... and a church in Mississippi burns to the ground over coronavirus concerns. Somebody didn't like them holding services. I wonder if this mask/no mask thing will cause violence soon. People wearing masks attacking those who don't.

It's amazing how far we're falling.

https://news.yahoo.com/mississippi-church-suing-virus-restrictions-122138656.html

https://wwjnewsradio.radio.com/articles/news/man-arrested-in-beating-of-detroit-nursing-home-patient

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Elder abuse is horrific.  It also has absolutely nothing to do with the coronavirus so I have no idea how that got shoehorned in there but whatever 

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5 hours ago, greg775 said:

a.) I really don't want to die from coronavirus. That will suck if some b.s. disease created suspiciously is what takes me from earth. Hope I don't die and you all don't die from this.

b.) Well, it's official. The hatred Americans have toward each other is out of control. Some young man at a nursing home in Detroit is caught on tape beating the hell out of an old lady patient. They arrested him later. Hopefully he'll get life in prison. ... and a church in Mississippi burns to the ground over coronavirus concerns. Somebody didn't like them holding services. I wonder if this mask/no mask thing will cause violence soon. People wearing masks attacking those who don't.

It's amazing how far we're falling.

https://news.yahoo.com/mississippi-church-suing-virus-restrictions-122138656.html

https://wwjnewsradio.radio.com/articles/news/man-arrested-in-beating-of-detroit-nursing-home-patient

Why haven't you bought a gun yet? Why are you not planning a move to Mexico or someplace safer? Your chances of survival will be slim with the riots that are coming, I understand the folks that don't believe the hype not being prepared, but you are one of the few that really understand what's coming, yet you are just letting it happen. I was puzzled by this but it's all finally coming together, getting clearer . . .

You know this is a suspicious virus, created with ill intents towards America. But instead of trying to end it, you want to help it along. You want to help spread the virus by being in public, without a mask, getting haircuts and stuff and wanting others to follow your example. It must be your sworn duty. Clearly you are the enemy, yet you are trying so hard to warn the good people here. Sadly, so many are ignoring you. You are brave G7 to try to lead us away from America's ruin. And as a Texan, and American, I salute you. 

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2 minutes ago, Texsox said:

Why haven't you bought a gun yet? Why are you not planning a move to Mexico or someplace safer? Your chances of survival will be slim with the riots that are coming, I understand the folks that don't believe the hype not being prepared, but you are one of the few that really understand what's coming, yet you are just letting it happen. I was puzzled by this but it's all finally coming together, getting clearer . . .

You know this is a suspicious virus, created with ill intents towards America. But instead of trying to end it, you want to help it along. You want to help spread the virus by being in public, without a mask, getting haircuts and stuff and wanting others to follow your example. It must be your sworn duty. Clearly you are the enemy, yet you are trying so hard to warn the good people here. Sadly, so many are ignoring you. You are brave G7 to try to lead us away from America's ruin. And as a Texan, and American, I salute you. 

All you’re missing is The Alamo soundtrack playing in the background...

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