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2 hours ago, The Beast said:

I’m still debating if what Biden said was that wrong. I see it more of turning off voters in his tone, but I don’t think the message is necessarily wrong, especially when you have a president saying there are very fine people in both sides and call countries shithole countries.

Not disagreeing with the end of your sentence, but there's definitely something wrong with a white guy telling black people what does or doesn't make them black, especially when the guy was a segregationist

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1 hour ago, Jose Abreu said:

Not disagreeing with the end of your sentence, but there's definitely something wrong with a white guy telling black people what does or doesn't make them black, especially when the guy was a segregationist

I watched the whole interview. Biden was very sharp, not showing any signs of losing anything upstairs. Man, his tone is so confrontational. And his answers were so long. No wonder he doesn't do well in debates. He needs time to spit out his long long answers. I'm worried though. He's assuredly going to win the presidency but he's very old and frankly I don't want Kamala Harris or Stacey Abrams to be president. So Abrams is the likely choice for Veep I'm reading. To my liberal friends on here ... calm my fears about Abrams. What the hell makes her qualified to be president?? I'd rather have Biden pick somebody who I KNOW will be a good president. How bout one of the candidates in the primaries? Some of them seemed OK. So he must have a woman he has said. Why not the Hawaiian patriot? Tulsi? Seriously do you all want Abrams as president?? I'm serious when I say I'd rather have Michelle Obama since he said he must have an African American woman as Veep. Barack will be right there with her and certainly she'll run some ideas by him and he knows what he's doing. Why not Mrs. Obama over Stacey Abrams for gosh sakes??

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2 hours ago, greg775 said:

I watched the whole interview. Biden was very sharp, not showing any signs of losing anything upstairs. Man, his tone is so confrontational. And his answers were so long. No wonder he doesn't do well in debates. He needs time to spit out his long long answers. I'm worried though. He's assuredly going to win the presidency but he's very old and frankly I don't want Kamala Harris or Stacey Abrams to be president. So Abrams is the likely choice for Veep I'm reading. To my liberal friends on here ... calm my fears about Abrams. What the hell makes her qualified to be president?? I'd rather have Biden pick somebody who I KNOW will be a good president. How bout one of the candidates in the primaries? Some of them seemed OK. So he must have a woman he has said. Why not the Hawaiian patriot? Tulsi? Seriously do you all want Abrams as president?? I'm serious when I say I'd rather have Michelle Obama since he said he must have an African American woman as Veep. Barack will be right there with her and certainly she'll run some ideas by him and he knows what he's doing. Why not Mrs. Obama over Stacey Abrams for gosh sakes??

Harris, Klobuchar, Warren, Whitmer and even Cortez-Masto or Lujan Grisham are all more likely.  And he never said anything about a black woman, Greg...just a woman.

Michelle Obama is undeniably more popular than her husband but definitely not interested.   And we saw how well that theory worked out for the Clintons...during the campaign, the way he was utilized, he didn’t turn out to be an asset, and the fact that nearly everyone liked her husband (at least the 1993-2001 and not 2008 Obama feuding version) more than her, it simply magnified her own shortcomings.

I think the only way she would consider it would be if she thought there was no other way for the Dems to win, preserve ObamaCare and safeguard her husband’s legacy.  (Which, in a way, is the same dangerous level of complacency that crept in the last 2-3 months of the Clinton campaign in 2016.  Picking Klobuchar would almost be another Tim Kaine-level unforced error.)

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11 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Life has to be more nuanced.   And falling into the “what about what Trump said?” standard didn’t work out well in 2016.

Imagine if the conversation was with a Hispanic DJ, well, it’s not so cut-and-dried.  Bernie Sanders was successfully mobilizing both Latinos and young people, but Biden still can’t seem to break through (it’s why Cortez Masto and Lujan Grisham are on all the VP short lists.)   If he simply assumed all those voters were going to come to him instead of Trump, he would be mistaken, since many Hispanics vote on social issues like abortion, school prayer, education, morals/values/ethics.  This conflicts with the peace and justice side of Catholicism, which would put them more firmly in the Dem camp.  But let’s not conveniently forget that the Obama/Biden administration also deported roughly 3 million illegal immigrants.  It’s not as obvious as it looks at first glance.

Or Asian American voters, that’s even more complicated.

I just don’t believe in the times that we currently live that any group in the country can be treated as a monolithic bloc.

In my lifetime, making such assumptions about the “African American base” has come back to bite Gore (2000) and HRC, in particular.  They couldn’t transfer the popularity of Bill Clinton and the Obamas to their own campaigns.

And it still might not matter, because the coronavirus response and economic malaise has arguably undone any inroads Trump was making heading into 2020. 
 

 

And back to Covid-land...

I watched the whole interview. It wasn’t Biden’s best performance, but there were a few issues with the interview:

- Biden needed to tailor his responses towards what he will do now, since young voters and older voters alike want to know about now and not the record. So he needs to spell out plans for now that will help black Americans and not just the ones in prison.

- His staffer needed to schedule out more time, interrupting for Biden’s wife to use the video didn’t help matters.

- Biden needed to finish differently, even though I think he was being lightheaded with the host at the end of the interview and I don’t think Biden made the last comment come out the way it did, even though it will be taken that way. He needs to clean things up when interviewing and consider how his remarks will be used in attack ads.

You’re right, one block of voters should not be taken for granted.

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9 hours ago, Jose Abreu said:

Not disagreeing with the end of your sentence, but there's definitely something wrong with a white guy telling black people what does or doesn't make them black, especially when the guy was a segregationist

Don't forget he was a 'warmonger' because he fell for Cheney's lies. Forced busing was a non-starter for most pols before long. Now we have public ed being shredded. I would consider Joe a friend of the people. 

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9 hours ago, Jose Abreu said:

Not disagreeing with the end of your sentence, but there's definitely something wrong with a white guy telling black people what does or doesn't make them black, especially when the guy was a segregationist

Was a segregationist or worked with senators who were? I know what Harris mentioned with busing but if there is more I am not aware of, let me know. He has such a long political history that I haven’t focused on his record way back when.
 

7 hours ago, greg775 said:

I watched the whole interview. Biden was very sharp, not showing any signs of losing anything upstairs. Man, his tone is so confrontational. And his answers were so long. No wonder he doesn't do well in debates. He needs time to spit out his long long answers. I'm worried though. He's assuredly going to win the presidency but he's very old and frankly I don't want Kamala Harris or Stacey Abrams to be president. So Abrams is the likely choice for Veep I'm reading. To my liberal friends on here ... calm my fears about Abrams. What the hell makes her qualified to be president?? I'd rather have Biden pick somebody who I KNOW will be a good president. How bout one of the candidates in the primaries? Some of them seemed OK. So he must have a woman he has said. Why not the Hawaiian patriot? Tulsi? Seriously do you all want Abrams as president?? I'm serious when I say I'd rather have Michelle Obama since he said he must have an African American woman as Veep. Barack will be right there with her and certainly she'll run some ideas by him and he knows what he's doing. Why not Mrs. Obama over Stacey Abrams for gosh sakes??

Biden’s tone is exactly how it had been in the debates and is consistent with how he had been as VP. His answers were long and needed to be directed towards what he will do now. They need to have a longer interview next time and he needs to talk about policies moving forward, since I am guessing the Breakfast Club is for a younger audience.

I wouldn’t worry about Abrams, I don’t think she’s getting it. I’m not sure why you have an issue with Harris, but she is qualified. Klobuchar is a moderate but I just don’t see her as VP. There’s not a chance in hell that Gabbard is VP, I don’t know why some gravitate towards her. Michelle Obama is not going to be the VP either, she has no interest in it.

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9 hours ago, Jose Abreu said:

Not disagreeing with the end of your sentence, but there's definitely something wrong with a white guy telling black people what does or doesn't make them black, especially when the guy was a segregationist

In seeing how he said this, I didn't think it sounded as bad as some thought. However, it was still a dumb ass thing to say, and he never should have went there. One pundit said that this was another indication that Biden still doesn't know how to reach out to African-Americans. Regardless, more Biden gaffes are on the way.

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15 hours ago, NWINFan said:

yi

Why does he want to override them on this issue when he has been deferring to governors for so long? Does he even have the authority to do this? 

This is so phony, it reeks. At my wife's church, no one wants to return yet. So many of the congregation is over 60. I guess they don't feel like dying when the service is already streamed.  

Campaign issue.

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17 hours ago, greg775 said:

Thank goodness. Liquor stores have been open. My pastor has safety regulations totally in place. I would love to see a list of states Trump is overriding. We sit three to a row eight feet apart. Every fourth row. Masks mandatory. Hand cleaner at door. if I get it I get it. Shoulda done this weeks ago regarding churches compared to liquor stores. Anybody know if Illinois churches have been open? They are now.

p.s. Like I said about last Sunday. Our Mass had 14 people. Across the street. Graduation party with at least 50. No masks. Gimme a break at the discrepancy. Pastors are taking precautions. If we get it we get it just like if we go to the store for some booze.

Clearly not

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.axios.com/cdc-arkansas-church-coronavirus-outbreak-fb265e5a-5db7-4ace-9bc4-098e0d09e7fd.html

This is 2 examples you've been presented with and I'm sure there have been and will be many more. I don't get why you're consistently the ultimate contrarion when it comes to, well, everything. Do you not get attention anywhere else so you come here to disagree and receive it?

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17 minutes ago, soxfan49 said:

Clearly not

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.axios.com/cdc-arkansas-church-coronavirus-outbreak-fb265e5a-5db7-4ace-9bc4-098e0d09e7fd.html

This is 2 examples you've been presented with and I'm sure there have been and will be many more. I don't get why you're consistently the ultimate contrarion when it comes to, well, everything. Do you not get attention anywhere else so you come here to disagree and receive it?

 

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I think one pastor had it right when he said the church is not closed, the building is.

Why can’t you worship virtually?  For a bunch of people who think they are so decent, they certainly aren’t will to sacrifice much to actually prove it. 
 

Why won’t some even wear masks? Why is that an assault on your rights and the requirement that you must have insurance and wear a seat belt to drive a car not?

 

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16 hours ago, greg775 said:

We have a limit of 70 max people. Last week there were 14. Way more dangerous to be in a liquor store IMO. People are committing suicide. People are freaking out and depressed. We need church. As trump said it's an essential service. He even mentioned the liquor store fiasco. It's pretty obvious with the NCAA allowing kids on campus for volunteer workouts and the openings of movie theatres in conservative states like Kansas, that like it or not, the plan has begun to open everything up and pretty much allow us all to get the virus. Let's pray (or hope if you are not religious) we have bodies strong enough to prevail over the virus. The economy simply has to open no matter what the exotic ice cream eating governors think. Only other option is socialism and start sending us all 10,000 a crack not 1,200 bucks. Peace.

Pards allow Tex to offer a little assistance

Taurus G2C at about $250, it won't break the bank and is available anywhere handguns are sold. Reliable, lightweight and small it can be concealed easily enough. If you want to splurge and impress your friends in church the Glock 19 has charisma and easy to find 9mm ammo in a 15+1 config that will make you feel safer.  Both are considered beginner guns with low maintenance and easy to pull triggers. Enjoy your time on the range. Nothing helps social distancing than a shooter.

Keep your rounds downrange. Life is like that. You'll be happier. 

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1 hour ago, Dick Allen said:

I think one pastor had it right when he said the church is not closed, the building is.

Why can’t you worship virtually?  For a bunch of people who think they are so decent, they certainly aren’t will to sacrifice much to actually prove it. 
 

Why won’t some even wear masks? Why is that an assault on your rights and the requirement that you must have insurance and wear a seat belt to drive a car not?

 

This is so true. If people are so god-fearing, you'd think they would be concerned about the welfare of others.

The congregation in my wife's church want to return, but not under these circumstances. A group of them also had a meeting online to talk over church matters, and they accomplished somethings. They are more than willing to give things a little more time.  They just don't think the risk is worth it right now. Makes sense to me.

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15 hours ago, The Beast said:

I’m still debating if what Biden said was that wrong. I see it more of turning off voters in his tone, but I don’t think the message is necessarily wrong, especially when you have a president saying there are very fine people in both sides and call countries shithole countries.

Do we have video evidence of Trump saying this? Or was it an unnamed source?

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South Korea has had 11,000 cases. Something like 6000, more than 1/2, trace back to 1 infected person going to a church.

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9 minutes ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:

Do we have video evidence of Trump saying this? Or was it an unnamed source?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/01/11/politics/immigrants-shithole-countries-trump/index.html

For those keeping score at home, when directly asked about the “shithole” comment...the White House did not deny it was said. 

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10 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Harris, Klobuchar, Warren, Whitmer and even Cortez-Masto or Lujan Grisham are all more likely.  And he never said anything about a black woman, Greg...just a woman.

Michelle Obama is undeniably more popular than her husband but definitely not interested.   And we saw how well that theory worked out for the Clintons...during the campaign, the way he was utilized, he didn’t turn out to be an asset, and the fact that nearly everyone liked her husband (at least the 1993-2001 and not 2008 Obama feuding version) more than her, it simply magnified her own shortcomings.

I think the only way she would consider it would be if she thought there was no other way for the Dems to win, preserve ObamaCare and safeguard her husband’s legacy.  (Which, in a way, is the same dangerous level of complacency that crept in the last 2-3 months of the Clinton campaign in 2016.  Picking Klobuchar would almost be another Tim Kaine-level unforced error.)

The interviewer in Friday's controversial interview asked him about a black woman being VEEP and Biden said he's considering many black women. I've read other stories where it will be a black woman. I want somebody qualified because that person will be president someday. Let's assume of the list you gave one of them will be president a year or so after the election. Which do you think can handle the job effectively? None except maybe Warren. Certainly not Harris. Can you guys be honest and tell me you are not scared of his choice of Abrams. My gosh, at this moment odds are at least 50-50 of her being president someday. Did you see the TV show in which she and Biden appeared and the host and Abrams thought he was going to ask her to be VEEP candidate? Nobody still can figure out why Biden wanted her on the show with him. She was not asked at the time. He's not going to pick Warren but reluctantly she would be my choice but only after Michelle Obama. Why the hell not?? Convince her to do it. She won't only be VEEP, she'll be president soon enough. She is smart; everybody loves her. Barack can help advise if she seeks his help.

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2 minutes ago, greg775 said:

The interviewer in Friday's controversial interview asked him about a black woman being VEEP and Biden said he's considering many black women. I've read other stories where it will be a black woman. I want somebody qualified because that person will be president someday. Let's assume of the list you gave one of them will be president a year or so after the election. Which do you think can handle the job effectively? None except maybe Warren. Certainly not Harris. Can you guys be honest and tell me you are not scared of his choice of Abrams. My gosh, at this moment odds are at least 50-50 of her being president someday. Did you see the TV show in which she and Biden appeared and the host and Abrams thought he was going to ask her to be VEEP candidate? Nobody still can figure out why Biden wanted her on the show with him. She was not asked at the time. He's not going to pick Warren but reluctantly she would be my choice but only after Michelle Obama. Why the hell not?? Convince her to do it. She won't only be VEEP, she'll be president soon enough. She is smart; everybody loves her. Barack can help advise if she seeks his help.

Scared of a black woman, but totally ok with 100,000 bodies. At least he's white!

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46 minutes ago, NWINFan said:

This is so true. If people are so god-fearing, you'd think they would be concerned about the welfare of others.

The congregation in my wife's church want to return, but not under these circumstances. A group of them also had a meeting online to talk over church matters, and they accomplished somethings. They are more than willing to give things a little more time.  They just don't think the risk is worth it right now. Makes sense to me.

Every article I'm reading (today, yes it changes) is talking about how Sweden had it right and we never needed to lock down in the first place. That's neither here nor there, I'm just intrigued by the articles at this website https://www.realclearpolitics.com/

As far as this issue, I take offense to some of you saying we are selfish people wanting churchopen. I described my church's setup. Hand sanitizer at door; three to a (long) pew. People in every fourth pew. Max of 70 in the church (we had 14 for my Mass last week). Priest limited to 45 minute Mass. No singing. We all must wear masks. No hand shaking. Why is this selfish? Our pastor cares. Meanwhile as I told you last Sunday there was a party on a lawn across the street; 50 people, food, no masks.

MENTAL HEALTH means something. Church helps mental health. But suddenly we are not talking about mental health/suicides we are talking more about "suck it up, stay home." Why all of a sudden does mental health not matter.?When I had a huge huge mental crisis in life many years ago now I had my hand on the phone ready to call a mental health professional. Instead I chose church. the problem went away in a month. it worked for me. I have been forever grateful to God. I need to go to church constantly to thank him. Also I love worshiping with people. It's the highlight of the week. In a dog eat dog world, church is important to me.

Again, why do some of you think the suicides, etc., are not related to this issue and suddenly we as a society go from caring about mental health to not.

Also ... cmon. This is religion. It is not wise to let the government slam the doors shut on our churches. You tell me my church isn't safer than a 7-11 right now? If I get COVID, I pray my immune system works and I don't die. I hope we don't spread it. College is about to open here and think of all the students coming back from all across the country. There's more danger there of it spreading through a town that has had 58 cases than anything else.

Some of us see church as ESSENTIAL ... way more than a liquor store. How come nobody answers my angry questions of why our liquor stores have been open the whole time and not church??

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10 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Scared of a black woman, but totally ok with 100,000 bodies. At least he's white!

Abrams? Tell me her qualifications. I want Michelle O. I'd even take Oprah over any of those candidates Caulfield listed. And I'm serious.

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2 hours ago, Texsox said:

Pards allow Tex to offer a little assistance

Taurus G2C at about $250, it won't break the bank and is available anywhere handguns are sold. Reliable, lightweight and small it can be concealed easily enough. If you want to splurge and impress your friends in church the Glock 19 has charisma and easy to find 9mm ammo in a 15+1 config that will make you feel safer.  Both are considered beginner guns with low maintenance and easy to pull triggers. Enjoy your time on the range. Nothing helps social distancing than a shooter.

Keep your rounds downrange. Life is like that. You'll be happier. 

I don't believe in owning a gun. I've never shot a gun. Hope I never need one.

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3 hours ago, Dick Allen said:

I think one pastor had it right when he said the church is not closed, the building is.

Why can’t you worship virtually?  For a bunch of people who think they are so decent, they certainly aren’t will to sacrifice much to actually prove it. 
 

Why won’t some even wear masks? Why is that an assault on your rights and the requirement that you must have insurance and wear a seat belt to drive a car not?

 

Answering  your questions ...

a.) Why should the church be closed when theatres are now open; our casinos are open. I think so many things are open your question may have been more reasonable a week or so ago. Certainly with theatres, salons, (not bowling alleys yet for some reason), casinos open there is NO REASON to not open church. Grossly unfair. You said the church is not closed; the building is; reasonable argument but for some of us being in that church does matter, a lot. We like being in there and like being able to pray. For some, religion is 80 percent of their lives. Look at other religions beside my Catholicism that include prayer and stoppage of life a few times a day just to pray. Hard to explain but to me the church is closed when the building is closed. I like being in there.

b.) I tried the virtual Mass and have watched some. Our parish did that until one week ago. Actually it's still available that way for those uncomfortable in coming to the open church. We still have virtual Mass.

It's not like we are reckless rebels. We did the locking of the doors of the church all the way from March 12 til last Sunday when we had it all cleaned up and the regulations in place. Your line "for a bunch of people who think they are so decent," is offensive and If I wrote it I'd probably be banned. We "sacrificed" (your word) from March 12 til last Sunday, then opened for Mass.

c.) Not applicable here. We have to wear masks in the building. As far as in public, I explained why I hate masks. Last week at church I touched my face several times in adjuting the mask with my glasses. I had totally trained myself during COVID to never touch my face. Masks annoy me. Sorry.

 

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16 hours ago, The Beast said:

I’m still debating if what Biden said was that wrong. I see it more of turning off voters in his tone, but I don’t think the message is necessarily wrong, especially when you have a president saying there are very fine people in both sides and call countries shithole countries.

I don't mind Biden. I think he'll be OK settling things down after 4 years of the egoist Trump if he does not have dementia (notice the interviewer Friday had that as his first question) but without a doubt if this was somebody else they'd leave the race today for what was said. He's survived this gaffe again, but I don't know how it can be deemed anything but truly an offensive statement to African Americans. 

The fact it was a joke at the END of the short interview makes it less offensive because it can be construed as an interview ending joke. But had a fringe candidate said it, bye bye, you are out of the race.

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